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Our (not so good) cap situation for 2017
Alright, so it's another long Sunday without football, and while I don't want to look past this year too much, have any of you noticed our current amount of cap space for next offseason?
According to Over The Cap, we are sitting with a shade under 6 million in available space for 2017. I'm not sure it's 100% accurate, but it's gotta be close. This is without Eric Berry or Dontari Poe under contract, too. Now, we know it's an issue Dorsey has to address and he has shown in the past that he will, but how? What would you do? Here's the link to tinker with all of the different options of moves that can be made. http://overthecap.com/calculator/kansas-city-chiefs/ Personally, I think move number one is to get that Fisher cap number down with an extension. A lot of the other moves are going to depend on how certain guys fare this season, but one that stands out is Mauga's cap number. It'd be really nice to see March or Wilson take his job and make him expendable next offseason. Also, you have the Jamaal dilemma, who would instantly free up 7 million, or Colquitt who frees up over 4 million... hell, Tyler Bray even approaches 2 million. What do you think Dorsey does to save the world this time? Discuss Last edited by pugsnotdrugs19; 05-15-2016 at 12:02 PM.. |
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Chris Jones has ridiculous upside and could've been a top 10 pick if he stayed in school. You can pretend I'm being a homer, but I was pimping him way before we drafted him. Just because you don't know shit about him doesn't mean he should be written off as that caliber of prospect when he clearly is. I got the outside of the first round part, but are we not going to have several 1st round picks before all of those guys are gone? I don't understand why the 1st rounders should be irrelevant in this conversation. I guess because it fits your weak ****ing argument. Just like ignoring the part about the FA's that Dorsey has added. It's not my ****ing fault you're a clueless troll that can't objectively evaluate the players on this football team. Last edited by staylor26; 05-15-2016 at 06:26 PM.. |
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You're a man-child that cant disagree with someone without throwing a tantrum. Go get some help.
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Yes, I finally responded to all of the stupidity that Staylor pollutes this forum with. Now go look at my last 100 posts and your last 100 posts and tell me about "lashing out".
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Dorsey added Smith, Maclin, Kelce, Morse, Peters, and Fisher, in his first 3 years, so what reason do you have to say he can't add more of those caliber of players over the next several years? We should have much more oppurtunies to do so in terms of # of draft picks also. |
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Sorry, I just don't get how being positive minded regarding this team is off base, at all. The regime is a proven winner. I also don't see why the window is 'closing' as you say. Consider this: in our past regimes, we had a knack for finding the occasional elite player every couple of years. I'll give you that. But we also were complete dog shit at filling out the rest of the 53 man roster in the ultimate team game. None of us want to see DJ or Hali go, but it will eventually happen and we're going to be just fine because for once our FO hasn't been sitting on their asses and have actually been adding competitive depth for the last few years to all positions. There are already numerous cornerstones on the defense for future years that will keep us competitive (Houston, Berry, Peters) and that doesn't even account for the other talented players that don't get as much recognition. You can doubt all that you want but the fact remains that Kansas City now has a winning culture, and there's no reason to see that changing. |
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But there's a difference between rounding out a team that already has 8 (?) Pro Bowl level players and sustaining that talent level. Dorsey's drafts haven't produced many impact players. You can't talk about filling holes with big contract guys like Maclin because it's not a sustainable approach with regards to cap space. For example if Dee Ford had panned out, Hali's contract wouldn't be an issue. Sean Smith might still be here, or Poe or Berry might already be inked. Adding guards and backup safeties is great, but they aren't going to make up for elite LBers, pass rushers, DBs. Getting high caliber impact players through the draft not only makes the team better it helps with cap space. Is it realistic to expect 2nd round Chris Jones to be on the same level as 11th overall Poe? Possible, but not realistic. If you look at the success the Chiefs have had drafting defensive players in the first 2 rounds, it's been a really good run. The type that poises a team for a stretch of success. Unfortunately it was wasted on bad coaches, GMs, and QBs. I'm sorry that Dorsey's ability to draft Mitch Morse doesn't convince me that this team is going to continue to have Derrick Johnson level talent. I have no doubt that Dorsey is going to field more competitive teams. But I don't necessarily believe that his ability to build 9-11 win teams translates into an ability to build superbowl teams. He may prove me wrong but currently I see a closing window of opportunity due to attrition of impact talent from age and salary cap.
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Abdullah, Parker, Howard, West, Ware. All these guys are a form of FA that made less than $1 million for multiple years and were above average players. Add in a yearly bargain Safety in Branch and Coleman along with a cheap value on Sean Smith and you have a great deal. That's not even counting Maclin or Schwartz, which were great gets. As of today, Dorsey's drafting has cumulatively been slightly above average with a solid '13, below average '14 and amazing '15 drafts, but this guy has crushed it in FA, and that's what is putting this team over the top.
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I just don't see this mindset of "Dorsey will keep plugging holes" when Dorsey has yet show he can consistently draft impact players. Plugging the hole left by Kendrick Lewis is not the same task as plugging the hole left by Tamba Hali.
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All of these guys you say we can't replace have been out for significant periods of time and we've continued to win football games while adding to our overall talent level and depth. You deem them irreplaceable when they were drafted by shitter regimes and developed by less competent coaching staffs. Why is that so impossible to duplicate with a much better front office and coaching staff? That entire group also took some time to become those caliber of players. Time you refuse to give guys like Fisher and Ford to develop before you rush to judgement. Last edited by staylor26; 05-15-2016 at 08:34 PM.. |
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an entire roster can't be filled with Eric Berry type talents. You can only hope that you can find a top 10 caliber football player at their position for every level of the team. Dorsey was handed 5 players that were legit top 10 talents at their position: Berry, JC, DJ, Tamba, Houston and Poe (I guess 6 if you count Colquitt but he's a ****ing punter so for sake of the argument he won't be included). In 3 years, Dorsey has added 5 premium talents that could be argued as top 10 players as of today: Peters, Maclin, Schwartz, Kelce, Morse. The best you can offer is a premium player at a position surrounded by above average contributors. Well, 10 players that are legit "top 10" talents at their position are on this team surrounded by a lot of good role players. Yes you can throw out the fact that Tamba and DJ are old, but they don't look like they are off the tracks yet (Tamba has knee issues tho so we'll see). Other than that, Idk what else you want.
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