Elite QB's Smith has deafeted the last 4 years

[Titty Meat]

Rodgers
Brady
Wilson
Brees
Rothlisberger
Rivers

Why can't a talented team with Smith compete?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

So, poor Alex doesn't get enough support and "breaks", then?

Boo-hoo.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You didn't answer the question, which isn't surprising, because the answer is so obvious. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Because total takeaways don't matter because it's total luck.

What you can control is giveaways, and the top three leaders in giveaways made the conference finals last season. The Chiefs were the fourth in that list.

Giveaways are the critical component to turnover differential because -big shocker here- you have a lot more control over whether or not you cough the ball up on any given possession.

The Chiefs obviously are built to not turn the ball over and that's three and a half times more important than having a defense that's a leader in interceptions and fumbles (because, again, those are almost always a consequence of luck rather than player skill or correct coaching decisions).

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

or a torrential rainstorm the rendered KC's pass rush irrelevant? Did you forget the weather that day? KC's defense blew it on that long TD run...and Smith led them back to a lead. Is it just easier to forget that he had them in position to win the game?

[BlackOp]

Posts by the three worst posters in a row...I'll let someone else take the bait on this circle jerk...

[BlackOp]

You cant even have an objective discussion about the Chiefs at this place... the same people ruin every thread.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Posts by the three worst posters in a row...I'll let someone else take the bait on this circle jerk...

I guess I should just be in awe of witnessing the first NFL game in history where the weather conditions affected the pursuit and tackling abilities of a defense but wasn't bad enough to stop a quarterback from completing 10 yard passes.

Also, if you have to resort to ad hominem to prove your point, then you really don't have a ****ing point to defend then, do you?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Because total takeaways don't matter because it's total luck.

They matter to the issue that was at hand, which was ppg,.

[Just Passin' By]

Let's get some data to try talking sensibly, not that such a thing is really possible here on this subject. Here's some stuff from PFR.com:

KC was 16th in scoring, not 25th as NWO claimed.
KC was 13th in drive scoring percentage
KC despite being a running/short passing team, had a time of possession that was less than its opponents
Even while using a running game and short passing attack, KC surrendered the 7th most sacks in the NFL (49), and had the 5th worst sack percentage
KC was 16th in rushing attempts, 28th in passing attempts, 29th in offensive plays per game and 17th in yards per play
KC was 29th in yards per game

The blame pie is certainly not just about one person or group.

[ViperVisor]

Only Smith can bring down the offense to have bad games.


Mike McGlynn doing his worst.
His fav Eric Fisher getting flagged 2 times.
A WR group that was down to Bowe and nothing. Frankie Hammond was out there for most the plays. Avant off the wavier wire stepped in the next week.
Weather has no effect.

And you mention the AZ game. Maybe the only time McGlynn was worse.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

They matter to the issue that was at hand, which was ppg,.

If points per game is the problem, then the defense isn't forcing enough punts or failing to hold offenses to field goals when they cross midfield.

Now, you can think takeaways directly correlate to winning through having a sizable amount of interceptions in a season.. but surely that has nothing to do with late game situations where the opposing offense is forced to pass in order to make up 7+ points in a fourth quarter situation, right?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

If points per game is the problem, then the defense isn't forcing enough punts or failing to hold offenses to field goals when they cross midfield.

Now, you can think takeaways directly correlate to winning through having a sizable amount of interceptions in a season.. but surely that has nothing to do with late game situations where the opposing offense is forced to pass in order to make up 7+ points in a fourth quarter situation, right?

Here's that thread trail:

Originally Posted by New World Order

Let's cut out all of the excuses. To the Smith supporters:

Rushing statistics indicate we were 10th in the league last year (pretty good), yet we were 25th in total offensive ppg.

How do you Alex fanboys defend this?

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Dead last in defensive takeaways..
Chiefs' subpar wideouts led the league in drop %..

But mainly, a bottom 10 pass pro OL..


According to ESPN and TEAMRANKINGS, the Chiefs were 16th in offensive PPG.

Outsiders has KC at 12th best for PPD (points per drive).
They also have KC at 14th in pass rank.

You can call that bleh average all you want, but with a bottom 10 OL and bottom 10 WRs? That's not so bad.

Then you came in.

So, to sum up: One person was responding to a question about scoring (PPG, with the wrong PPG ranking), by citing some things that would have a tendency to limit scoring, and one of those is a lack of turnovers created.

Do us all a favor and read the threads, or at least read the thread trails you want to comment about, before you post.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Here's that thread trail:





Then you came in.

So, to sum up: One person was responding to a question about scoring (PPG, with the wrong PPG ranking), by citing some things that would have a tendency to limit scoring, and one of those is a lack of turnovers created.

Do us all a favor and read the threads, or at least read the thread trails you want to comment about, before you post.

I'll do whatever I want.

And you've done nothing to disprove what I've pointed out was bullshit about sandy dumbass' leading assertion of why the Chiefs weren't successful (because he ignores the fact that an inferior offensive line would ultimately ruin a running game's metrics even though the numbers don't bear that out) largely because of the defense not getting takeaways.. which is a totally unpredictable, mostly random chance.


In short, the Chiefs' were poor offensively because of the defense being unlucky.

And, even if turnovers were less than 50% luck driven, if the defense is allowing fewer than 18 points a game, is it really necessary that they are also leading in turnovers?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I'll do whatever I want.

And you've done nothing to disprove what I've pointed out was bullshit about sandy dumbass' leading assertion of why the Chiefs weren't successful (because he ignores the fact that an inferior offensive line would ultimately ruin a running game's metrics even though the numbers don't bear that out) largely because of the defense not getting takeaways.. which is a totally unpredictable, mostly random chance.


In short, the Chiefs' were poor offensively because of the defense being unlucky.

And, even if turnovers were less than 50% luck driven, if the defense is allowing fewer than 18 points a game, is it really necessary that they are also leading in turnovers?

Ok, once again it's all about you demonstrating that you're a complete idiot. Congrats! You've done it.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

You cant even have an objective discussion about the Chiefs at this place... the same people ruin every thread.

How can anyone who doesn't understand the importance of a franchise qb complain about objectivity?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Your analysis is unfair. Smith didn't get over the hump in 2011 because his team's usual return man missed the game, and the replacement messed up 2 easy plays. If the return man doesn't make those mistakes, Alex Smith is in the Super Bowl, and the 49ers are playing the Patriots for the Lombardi. His failure to get to the SB wasn't because he was missing "it", it was because Kyle Williams couldn't field the ball.

In 2011, that team was 31st in pass attempts - 29th in passing yds - 24th in passing TDs. I'm sure it was someone else's fault because they weren't counting on Alex to do anything other than not turn it over, where they ranked 1st in the league.