If I'm Manning, I retire now.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Love how you set them up for the fall.

I think pats beat the Colts fairly handily, but don't think either GB or NE can beat the Seahawks. The Seahawks are the best team in football and if, as I think the case will be, they keep the lid on both GB and NE (or the Colts, if they beat us and make it to the Big Show), then they should go down as having an all-time great defense, comparable to the Bears of '86, the Big Blue Wrecking Crew and the 2002 Ravens.

And if all of that transpires, it takes nothing away from Rodgers, or Brady, both of whom are more clutch than Manning.

so if the Pats lose to Seattle handily what in the world is the difference with Peyton's 2013 other than Peyton beat Tom in the AFCCG?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

so if the Pats lose to Seattle handily what in the world is the difference with Peyton's 2013 other than Peyton beat Tom in the AFCCG?

I don't think Peyton losing to the Seahawks means he choked. I think 9 one-and-dones raises that concern. I think multiple pick sixes in Super Bowls raise the issue. I think consistently losing in the playoffs to lesser teams, often at home, raise the issue.

More than twice as many playoff one-and-dones as any other QB in the Super Bowl era. That is...not great.

But honestly, this debate is getting old. You're trying to prove a point, and absolutely NOBODY on this board full of football fans agrees with you. I'm sorry your hero wheezed out of the playoffs so often. I'm sorry he's setting records for playoff futility. But those are the facts.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I don't think Peyton losing to the Seahawks means he choked. I think 9 one-and-dones raises that concern. I think multiple pick sixes in Super Bowls raise the issue. I think consistently losing in the playoffs to lesser teams, often at home, raise the issue.

More than twice as many playoff one-and-dones as any other QB in the Super Bowl era. That is...not great.

But honestly, this debate is getting old. You're trying to prove a point, and absolutely NOBODY on this board full of football fans agrees with you. I'm sorry your hero wheezed out of the playoffs so often. I'm sorry he's setting records for playoff futility. But those are the facts.

No one agrees because this board has hated Peyton Manning for years, and years, and years.

Is that due to how amazing he was in his prime?

Over-exposure on TV commercials?

2004 no punt game?

No clue.

But no one agrees because they have irrational hate towards Peyton Manning. No other reason.

I laid out a thread full of facts surrounding Brady's postseason after Spygate and all anyone did was plug their ears and "la la la la la" rather than actually looking at the facts presented.

But I learned that Tom Brady started out his postseason career 9-0 during the Spygate era and won 3 Super Bowls behind one of the best defenses in recent memory ... and he did all of that by not having any weapons *allegedly*

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

No one agrees because this board has hated Peyton Manning for years, and years, and years.

Is that due to how amazing he was in his prime?

Over-exposure on TV commercials?

2004 no punt game?

No clue.

But no one agrees because they have irrational hate towards Peyton Manning. No other reason.

I laid out a thread full of facts surrounding Brady's postseason after Spygate and all anyone did was plug their ears and "la la la la la" rather than actually looking at the facts presented.

But I learned that Tom Brady started out his postseason career 9-0 during the Spygate era and won 3 Super Bowls behind one of the best defenses in recent memory ... and he did all of that by not having any weapons *allegedly*

It has nothing to do with success. He's a flaming douchebag.

I don't hate Brady, Flacco, Eli, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, or Brees. I don't hate Wilson. I don't hate Cam. I don't even hate Rivers.

I hate Cutler. I hate Manning. I hate Luck. I hate Dalton. I hate Johnny Foosball.

I hate douchebags.