Football Is Aaron Rodgers GROSSLY overrated? - Page 10

chiefzilla1501 · 09-25-2014, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Translation: Aaron Rodgers is great for Fantasy Football, not the best when you actually need to win a game.

To be honest, ever since he got paid, games where he looks erratic as a passer have increased in number. I haven't seen him consistently make the same throws to Jordy Nelson that he used to be money on before he turned 30 (going to be 31 this year).

In back to back playoff appearances, Rodgers has missed multiple throws that he would typically make during the regular season. He used to be able to routinely drop the ball into the hands of his receiver on back-shoulder passes, even with a DB playing pretty tight coverage. I haven't seen him making those throws anywhere near as consistently as he did just a couple of years ago.

Agree he's not as effective but still really damn good and still in that elite bucket.

But if we are talking about the best... I'm tough on Peyton because he hasn't been a great playoff closer, but Rodgers has been bad at closing both in the regular season and the playoffs. If I'm comparing the best to the best, that's where I see Rodgers as being overrated. He's among the best but until he can consistently play well in close games, he shouldn't be considered the best which many think he is.

Molitoth · 09-25-2014, 07:44 AM

WINS AND LOSSES ARE A TEAM STAT

Is Barry Sanders NOT a top 3 RB of all time because he never got a ring?

Peyton Manning changed the game. No matter how much people hate him due to rivalry, over-endorsement, playoff record, or whatever the case... he is still one of the top 3 QB's of ALL TIME.

**Rausch** · 09-28-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Peyton Manning changed the game. No matter how much people hate him due to rivalry, over-endorsement, playoff record, or whatever the case... he is still one of the top 3 QB's of ALL TIME.

No, he's not.

While you can argue guys like Barry Sanders or Terrel Davis or Kurt Warner deserve consideration they all upped their game.

Manning's numbers in the post season are ALL down. He plays worse when the games matter most.

His TD's, Int's, yardage, completion percentage, all are below his regular season averages. He sucks, hard, in big games...

Just Passin' By · 09-28-2014, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Peyton Manning changed the game. No matter how much people hate him due to rivalry, over-endorsement, playoff record, or whatever the case... he is still one of the top 3 QB's of ALL TIME.

Manning's borderline top 10. There's no way in hell he's in the top 3.

DaNewGuy · 09-25-2014, 06:39 AM

He pretty overrated, Packers should just cut the dead weight now, Maybe we can trade Chase Daniel for Rodgers?

Jimmya · 09-25-2014, 07:03 AM

Its still a long season. Plenty of time for all quarterbacks to show their value.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-25-2014, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya

Its still a long season. Plenty of time for all quarterbacks to show their value.

And in some cases, the complete lack thereof.

Mama Hip Rockets · 09-28-2014, 01:26 PM

Eleazar · 09-28-2014, 02:19 PM

22/28 300 yards 4 TD 0 INT for Mr. Overrated today

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-28-2014, 02:23 PM

Peyton is the Schottenheimer of regular season.

Rasputin · 09-28-2014, 05:26 PM

Rodgers > Manning if I was to pick for my team.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-28-2014, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Rodgers > Manning if I was to pick for my team.

Can't argue it. When it's go-time, he goes.

Hootie · 09-28-2014, 06:01 PM

I never said Rodgers wasn't a good QB...he's definitely a top 5 NFL QB. My point was I didn't understand why he gets a free pass for having such a terrible record in close games. Isn't that how CP defines how good a QB is? Because that's why Peyton Manning, according to someone a few posts ago, isn't a top 10 NFL QB of all-time (hysterical, by the way).

I mean, Rodgers' record is MISERABLE in close games. Really, really, really bad. I don't feel like looking it up, but the sample size is alarming. It's not some coincidental stat.

And as for Peyton Manning and his 1 Super Bowl...

It's really quite hilarious that he doesn't get credit for how well he played in that Super Bowl.

First off, the Bears made the Super Bowl, with Rex Grossman...because why? Because, outside of the 2000 Ravens, that was the best defense of the last 15 ****ing years. It was amazing. It was unbelievable. It literally led them to a Super Bowl with Rex ****ing Grossman.

Peyton Manning literally kept the Colts on the field for 39 minutes that game and was very efficient...you know, against the 2nd best defense of the last two decades.

Not only that...

But in that postseason...he beat Tom Brady in the AFC Championship Game after his team was trailing 21-3.

21-3.

Against Tom Brady.

NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT'S CHOKING

...

and then he beat the vaunted Bears defense after, again, quickly falling down 10-0 in that game...

and he literally had a fantastic game against a fantastic defense

so you guys are simply a bunch of ****ing morons when it comes to Peyton Manning

Peyton Manning is certainly a top 3 NFL QB of all time. He's certainly higher than Tom Brady (probably top 5 as well).

and, again...

HE IS NOT ANY MORE CLUTCH OR LESS CLUTCH THAN TOM BRADY. THE SAME TOM BRADY EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD PARADES AS A CLUTCH QB.

and both Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have had more clutch postseason wins than Aaron Rodgers to this date.

and I still think the best game Aaron Rodgers ever played in the postseason was the first one he played, which he lost, to Arizona and Kurt Warner.

Hootie · 09-28-2014, 06:03 PM

I mean, it's HYSTERICAL how people on CHIEFSPLANET.COM view Peyton Manning. All of the envy and hate clouds judgment to the point of people posting he's not a top 10 NFL QB of all-time.

It's HILARIOUS.

Hootie · 09-28-2014, 06:13 PM

and everyone always talks about INTERCEPTIONS taken by QBs

but no one ever brings up sacks...and, honestly speaking, sacks, while not as bad as an INT, are literal DRIVE KILLERS.

Aaron Rodgers has ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS held the ball too long and thus, has always taken FAR TOO MANY sacks. His greatest asset (big plays) is also his biggest weakness (always looking for big plays)...and it hurts his team.

I think it's really funny when everyone says "Green Bay has a terrible line!" Well, he'd make a really good line look a lot ****ing worse because he has a terrible habit of holding the ball FAR too long. It's a flaw. He's a great QB with a bad flaw. Most QB's are going to have flaws...Rodgers has a lot fewer than many.

Peyton Manning, since 2003, has taken anywhere between 10 - 21 sacks total, all year long...

AARON RODGERS HAS TAKEN OVER 50 ****ING SACKS TWICE, TWICE...AND LED THE LEAGUE BOTH TIMES.

Ok, I'm sorry. That doesn't show up on the amazing stat sheet...but it KILLS drives.

You can't sit here and say, "oh!! that's because his line sucked!"

Bull ****ing shit. Peyton Manning hasn't had ALL-PRO LINES for the last 12 years of his career. He makes his lines look good because he is decisive, makes quick reads, and makes the right football play 9 times out of 10. They lost Clady last year, had an UDFA take over, and he took less sacks in 2013 than he did in 2012.

Sacks are drive killers. Rodgers will never be on Peyton's level until he stops taking sacks at that high of a rate.

09-25-2014, 07:44 AM	#2
Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $2804969	*WINS AND LOSSES ARE A TEAM* STAT** Is Barry Sanders NOT a top 3 RB of all time because he never got a ring? Peyton Manning changed the game. No matter how much people hate him due to rivalry, over-endorsement, playoff record, or whatever the case... he is still one of the top 3 QB's of ALL TIME.
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09-25-2014, 06:39 AM	#5
DaNewGuy Trippin' BAWLZ Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Another dimension Casino cash: $9794749	He pretty overrated, Packers should just cut the dead weight now, Maybe we can trade Chase Daniel for Rodgers?
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09-25-2014, 07:03 AM	#6
Jimmya Veteran Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10024530	Its still a long season. Plenty of time for all quarterbacks to show their value.
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Mama Hip Rockets You don't faze me, Gobble. Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $10005644	Bump
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09-28-2014, 02:23 PM	#10
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09-28-2014, 05:26 PM	#11
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $3255421	Rodgers > Manning if I was to pick for my team.
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09-28-2014, 06:01 PM	#13
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I never said Rodgers wasn't a good QB...he's definitely a top 5 NFL QB. My point was I didn't understand why he gets a free pass for having such a terrible record in close games. Isn't that how CP defines how good a QB is? Because that's why Peyton Manning, according to someone a few posts ago, isn't a top 10 NFL QB of all-time (hysterical, by the way). I mean, Rodgers' record is MISERABLE in close games. Really, really, really bad. I don't feel like looking it up, but the sample size is alarming. It's not some coincidental stat. And as for Peyton Manning and his 1 Super Bowl... It's really quite hilarious that he doesn't get credit for how well he played in that Super Bowl. First off, the Bears made the Super Bowl, with Rex Grossman...because why? Because, outside of the 2000 Ravens, that was the best defense of the last 15 **ing years. It was amazing. It was unbelievable. It literally led them to a Super Bowl with Rex ing Grossman. Peyton Manning literally kept the Colts on the field for 39 minutes that game and was very efficient...you know, against the 2nd best defense of the last two decades. Not only that... But in that postseason...he beat Tom Brady in the AFC Championship Game after his team was trailing 21-3. 21-3. Against Tom Brady. NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT'S CHOKING ... and then he beat the vaunted Bears defense after, again, quickly falling down 10-0 in that game... and he literally had a fantastic game against a fantastic defense so you guys are simply a bunch of **ing morons when it comes to Peyton Manning Peyton Manning is certainly a top 3 NFL QB of all time. He's certainly higher than Tom Brady (probably top 5 as well). and, again... HE IS NOT ANY MORE CLUTCH OR LESS CLUTCH THAN TOM BRADY. THE SAME TOM BRADY EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD PARADES AS A CLUTCH QB. and both Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have had more clutch postseason wins than Aaron Rodgers to this date. and I still think the best game Aaron Rodgers ever played in the postseason was the first one he played, which he lost, to Arizona and Kurt Warner.
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09-28-2014, 06:03 PM	#14
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I mean, it's HYSTERICAL how people on CHIEFSPLANET.COM view Peyton Manning. All of the envy and hate clouds judgment to the point of people posting he's not a top 10 NFL QB of all-time. It's HILARIOUS.
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09-28-2014, 06:13 PM	#15
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and everyone always talks about INTERCEPTIONS taken by QBs but no one ever brings up sacks...and, honestly speaking, sacks, while not as bad as an INT, are literal DRIVE KILLERS. Aaron Rodgers has ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS held the ball too long and thus, has always taken FAR TOO MANY sacks. His greatest asset (big plays) is also his biggest weakness (always looking for big plays)...and it hurts his team. I think it's really funny when everyone says "Green Bay has a terrible line!" Well, he'd make a really good line look a lot **ing worse because he has a terrible habit of holding the ball FAR too long. It's a flaw. He's a great QB with a bad flaw. Most QB's are going to have flaws...Rodgers has a lot fewer than many. Peyton Manning, since 2003, has taken anywhere between 10 - 21 sacks total, all year long... AARON RODGERS HAS TAKEN OVER 50 ING SACKS TWICE, TWICE...AND LED THE LEAGUE BOTH TIMES. Ok, I'm sorry. That doesn't show up on the amazing stat sheet...but it KILLS drives. You can't sit here and say, "oh!! that's because his line sucked!" Bull **ing shit. Peyton Manning hasn't had ALL-PRO LINES for the last 12 years of his career. He makes his lines look good because he is decisive, makes quick reads, and makes the right football play 9 times out of 10. They lost Clady last year, had an UDFA take over, and he took less sacks in 2013 than he did in 2012. Sacks are drive killers. Rodgers will never be on Peyton's level until he stops taking sacks at that high of a rate.
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