Chiefs Daniel Sorenson - Page 6

chiefzilla1501 · 08-31-2014, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Our starting safeties are Berry and Abdullah. They know what to do while the others learn.

And given that Sorensen is a ROOKIE (which seems to be a hard concept for anyone to grasp), you would expect that rookie to improve with more practice and a ton of time in the film room. If Berry or Abdullah get hurt, Sorensen will hopefully be a few more months smarter or better.

milkman · 08-31-2014, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And given that Sorensen is a ROOKIE (which seems to be a hard concept for anyone to grasp), you would expect that rookie to improve with more practice and a ton of time in the film room. If Berry or Abdullah get hurt, Sorensen will hopefully be a few more months smarter or better.

This is a direct contradiction for the argument for keeping Daniel.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-31-2014, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

This is a direct contradiction for the argument for keeping Daniel.

100% agree

Sandy Vagina · 08-31-2014, 10:36 AM

Sorensen had a couple of big fails.. The coaches put him in some tough situations that he got burned on a couple of times.. live and learn.

Too soon to be tripping on him.. calling him a bust or saying he sucks. They obviously must like what he is showing in daily practice and in the film room.

If the coaches suck and suck at assessing talent? Then Chiefs are screwed anyway. May as well give em a little rope to see if they hang selves with it.

TEX · 08-31-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Sorensen had a couple of big fails.. The coaches put him in some tough situations that he got burned on a couple of times.. live and learn.

Too soon to be tripping on him.. calling him a bust or saying he sucks. They obviously must like what he is showing in daily practice and in the film room.

If the coaches suck and suck at assessing talent? Then Chiefs are screwed anyway. May as well give em a little rope to see if they hang selves with it.

Yep. He's getting a look on THIS team because of the lack of talent at the position. He'd have been cut from others.

Sandy Vagina · 08-31-2014, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yep. He's getting a look on THIS team because of the lack of talent at the position. He'd have been cut from many teams.

No doubt that there is a lack of proven talent, aside from Berry. I bet there are many teams that also have nothing more than unproven talent at backup S spots.

Just saying, maybe this guy will end up having a good and surprising success story. It's possible.. plenty of reasons to doubt.. but it is possible. Think maybe it's better to give the dude a chance, since the regular season has not even begun.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-31-2014, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yep. He's getting a look on THIS team because of the lack of talent at the position. He'd have been cut from many teams.

You're arguing something entirely different. I'm never said Sorensen is going to be great. I am saying you need more than a few games to know what the hell is, and based on guys who we've only seen in preseason snaps, the front office is relying on a shitload more "data" on the guy than we have. Maybe they see something in practice that we don't, or on their scouting process. We won't really know for sure until the kid at least has some time to adjust to the NFL.

Snapplez · 08-31-2014, 10:41 AM

Bronson was the 4th best safety in preseason

4. Malcolm Bronson, KC: +3.7

Breakdown: A 2013 Undrafted Free Agent, Bronson sees the bulk of his grade come from a standout performance against the Cincinnati Bengals, with his play in coverage being particularly pleasing.

Signature Stat: Bronson has allowed a passer rating of just 42.4 on passes thrown into his coverage.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-31-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapplez

Bronson was the 4th best safety in preseason

4. Malcolm Bronson, KC: +3.7

Breakdown: A 2013 Undrafted Free Agent, Bronson sees the bulk of his grade come from a standout performance against the Cincinnati Bengals, with his play in coverage being particularly pleasing.

Signature Stat: Bronson has allowed a passer rating of just 42.4 on passes thrown into his coverage.

I can't believe nobody has pointed out the obvious that Bronson has had a full year to learn this defense. Sorensen has had a short offseason. Of course we should expect the guy who knows the system to be more NFL ready when compared to a 6th round pick.

OldSchool · 08-31-2014, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I can't believe nobody has pointed out the obvious that Bronson has had a full year to learn this defense. Sorensen has had a short offseason. Of course we should expect the guy who knows the system to be more NFL ready when compared to a 6th round pick.

Wut? So you're trying to use the fact that Bronson was a lot more ready to contribute to this team than Sorensen is as justification for keeping Sorensen over Bronson?

chiefzilla1501 · 08-31-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Wut? So you're trying to use the fact that Bronson was a lot more ready to contribute to this team than Sorensen is as justification for keeping Sorensen over Bronson?

You are making it virtually impossible for any rookie past the 3rd round to ever make this team. Hell, past the 2nd round. It's not like we're passing up surefire NFL talent. Bronson was a bubble roster player. Who knows if he even gets scooped up -- he will probably end up on our practice squad.

But yeah, when talking about rookies, let's worry about what they can contribute RIGHT NOW.

We won't really know whether Sorensen will be greater than Bronson until the end of the season. Right now, Sorensen has to only be better than a bubble roster player by this time next season. I don't think it's that far out of reach to think he can do that.

**RealSNR** · 08-31-2014, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You are making it virtually impossible for any rookie past the 3rd round to ever make this team. Hell, past the 2nd round. It's not like we're passing up surefire NFL talent. Bronson was a bubble roster player. Who knows if he even gets scooped up -- he will probably end up on our practice squad.

But yeah, when talking about rookies, let's worry about what they can contribute RIGHT NOW.

We won't really know whether Sorensen will be greater than Bronson until the end of the season. Right now, Sorensen has to only be better than a bubble roster player by this time next season. I don't think it's that far out of reach to think he can do that.

So why does Sorensen get a pass as "he could be good one day!" while a guy like Vince Agnew didn't get that chance last year?

Both guys sucked ass their first time through preseason games. One gets a shot to improve, and the other just goes away. What makes Sorensen different from Vince Agnew?

And no, I'm not saying Vince Agnew should have been given a longterm shot to prove himself on the team. I'm saying that you HAVE to make that determination all the damn time if a rookie sucks or not.

OldSchool · 08-31-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapplez

Bronson was the 4th best safety in preseason

4. Malcolm Bronson, KC: +3.7

Breakdown: A 2013 Undrafted Free Agent, Bronson sees the bulk of his grade come from a standout performance against the Cincinnati Bengals, with his play in coverage being particularly pleasing.

Signature Stat: Bronson has allowed a passer rating of just 42.4 on passes thrown into his coverage.

Such a great decision from Dorsey.

Saccopoo · 08-31-2014, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapplez

Bronson was the 4th best safety in preseason

4. Malcolm Bronson, KC: +3.7

Breakdown: A 2013 Undrafted Free Agent, Bronson sees the bulk of his grade come from a standout performance against the Cincinnati Bengals, with his play in coverage being particularly pleasing.

Signature Stat: Bronson has allowed a passer rating of just 42.4 on passes thrown into his coverage.

To the more astute posters, it's not a question of Bronson versus Sorensen. Bronson is a pure free safety with his 5'10", 190 lb. frame. This "interchangable" shit is shit. Bronson is not a strong safety. As such, it really wasn't his position to earn with regard to Sorensen. It was Bronson versus Kelcie McCray.

Or, better yet, it was Bronson versus RB Joe McKnight, TE Richard Gordon or OL Laurent Duvernay-Tardif.

Personally, I would have much rather have seen Bronson on the roster versus McKnight or Gordon.

OldSchool · 08-31-2014, 11:41 AM

My problem with Sorensen is that he didn't flash anything in the games, at all. He wasn't a physical presence in the run game, didn't hit WRs very hard after they caught the ball, and wasn't good or instinctive in coverage. The only thing that stood out was the fact that he gives up the big play virtually every single time that he is targeted. Want to guess where Manning is going with the ball if Sorensen is ever on the field against the Broncos?

If a late round pick or UDFA is going to make the roster, he has to at least show a flash of some level of talent and competency in the actual games. Sorensen did the exact opposite, he just showed that the NFL was too big a game for him.

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Snapplez Starter Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Ft. Worth, TX Casino cash: $10027795	Bronson was the 4th best safety in preseason 4. Malcolm Bronson, KC: +3.7 Breakdown: A 2013 Undrafted Free Agent, Bronson sees the bulk of his grade come from a standout performance against the Cincinnati Bengals, with his play in coverage being particularly pleasing. Signature Stat: Bronson has allowed a passer rating of just 42.4 on passes thrown into his coverage.
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OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	My problem with Sorensen is that he didn't flash anything in the games, at all. He wasn't a physical presence in the run game, didn't hit WRs very hard after they caught the ball, and wasn't good or instinctive in coverage. The only thing that stood out was the fact that he gives up the big play virtually every single time that he is targeted. Want to guess where Manning is going with the ball if Sorensen is ever on the field against the Broncos? If a late round pick or UDFA is going to make the roster, he has to at least show a flash of some level of talent and competency in the actual games. Sorensen did the exact opposite, he just showed that the NFL was too big a game for him.
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