Chiefs The official Eric Fisher thread take 2 - Page 14

**Bufkin** · 07-31-2014, 01:24 PM

Since the original one was deleted due to posting overload, let's try this again.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-23-2014, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He was the first overall pick in the draft. Passable isn't good enough.

I hated the pick. Don't get me wrong.

But people have to get it out of their heads that Fisher has to be a pro bowl left tackle, or else he sucks. He will NEVER live up to the pick. It was a bad pick. But now that he's on the team, it would be nice if people would stop exaggerating how bad his play on the field has been. I think in year 1 as a LT, he can certainly be passable. At least play to the same level as Donald Stephenson would.

O.city · 08-23-2014, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I hated the pick. Don't get me wrong.

But people have to get it out of their heads that Fisher has to be a pro bowl left tackle, or else he sucks. He will NEVER live up to the pick. It was a bad pick. But now that he's on the team, it would be nice if people would stop exaggerating how bad his play on the field has been. I think in year 1 as a LT, he can certainly be passable. At least play to the same level as Donald Stephenson would.

If all you're getting is passable from him, again, he's a pretty big bust of a pick.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-23-2014, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Our OL stinks and our secondary stinks. This season will produce another top ten pick. The defenses we face will kill our OL. Unfortunately our cap was fugged and nothing came to help. Dorsey did a poor job with our OL by just letting 3 walk out the door. He should kept two of them.

$10M for a left tackle when you already have 2 on the roster who can do it for much cheaper? $5M for a journeyman Guard? $5M for a guard in Asamoah who wasn't any good? Yeah, I'm not that upset about losing anybody. We're going to have some hiccups in 2014 at oline but I'm certainly not upset if we chose not to just throw money at a problem that can easily be fixed through smart value moves and drafting.

Fish · 08-23-2014, 08:21 AM

Remember a year ago when some people were arguing that we should start Fisher at LT out of the gate and move Albert to RT?

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O.city · 08-23-2014, 08:21 AM

The problem with that is that your offensive line becomes good by playing together as a unit. They can't be shuffling every year and expect it to be any good.

O.city · 08-23-2014, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

Remember a year ago when some people were arguing that we should start Fisher at LT out of the gate and move Albert to RT?

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If they knew (which I'd imagine they did) that it was going to play out the way it did, they should have taken what they could get for Albert from Miami and started him at LT.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-23-2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If all you're getting is passable from him, again, he's a pretty big bust of a pick.

I used the wrong word then. I think he's going to "bust" no matter what. Because of draft position. Shouldn't have been drafted that high.

I am responding to those who are convinced the guy is complete hot garbage and was hot garbage last year, which is pretty much everybody. Last year at RT, he improved into a guy who at least belongs on the field. We need much better than that, but that's a different way of telling the story.

O.city · 08-23-2014, 08:26 AM

Basically, with drafting him at 1, the Chiefs FO showed that they expect him to become a cornerstone/franchise player.

We're a **** load of a long ways off from that.

**Bufkin** · 08-23-2014, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Basically, with drafting him at 1, the Chiefs FO showed that they expect him to become a cornerstone/franchise player.

We're a **** load of a long ways off from that.

Thank God he just turned 23.

O.city · 08-23-2014, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin

Thank God he just turned 23.

He keeps playing the way he is, it won't matter. He'll be out of the league by 25.

It's still really early and he could develop.

But up to this point, he's been a massively ringing bust.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-23-2014, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Basically, with drafting him at 1, the Chiefs FO showed that they expect him to become a cornerstone/franchise player.

We're a **** load of a long ways off from that.

And again, I could care less if he lives up to the pick right now. Because he never will.

I want to know if he can start in this league. Not make the pro bowl. But start and play at the same level as Donald Stephenson. That's absolutely possible by year 1. I personally think he needs a full healthy offseason with his shoulder to add the bulk he needs, but for this year, the bar is pretty low as long as we get out of our head that we need to determine his value as a starter based on where he was picked versus "are you good enough to start."

Red Dawg · 08-23-2014, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

$10M for a left tackle when you already have 2 on the roster who can do it for much cheaper? $5M for a journeyman Guard? $5M for a guard in Asamoah who wasn't any good? Yeah, I'm not that upset about losing anybody. We're going to have some hiccups in 2014 at oline but I'm certainly not upset if we chose not to just throw money at a problem that can easily be fixed through smart value moves and drafting.

They were playing pretty damn well together by seasons end so who cares where they came from. I understand Albert because of his contract demands but the other two we should kept and could have kept. Now we get watch JC get pummeled behind this youth movement of shit.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-23-2014, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He keeps playing the way he is, it won't matter. He'll be out of the league by 25.

It's still really early and he could develop.

But up to this point, he's been a massively ringing bust.

If he improves at left tackle the way he did on the right side last year, he could easily be a passable starter. If he's a passable starter, he'll be in the league. He's the 19th highest paid left tackle in the league right now.

O.city · 08-23-2014, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And again, I could care less if he lives up to the pick right now. Because he never will.

I want to know if he can start in this league. Not make the pro bowl. But start and play at the same level as Donald Stephenson. That's absolutely possible by year 1. I personally think he needs a full healthy offseason with his shoulder to add the bulk he needs, but for this year, the bar is pretty low as long as we get out of our head that we need to determine his value as a starter based on where he was picked versus "are you good enough to start."

It's not really the only point.

It goes deeper than that. If he doesn't live up to the pick, it speaks massively to the ineptitude that is the Front Office in the drafting and stocking of the roster with players.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-23-2014, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

They were playing pretty damn well together by seasons end so who cares where they came from. I understand Albert because of his contract demands but the other two we should kept and could have kept. Now we get watch JC get pummeled behind this youth movement of shit.

JC played behind much worse linemen. He'll be fine. Alex Smith is the guy to worry about but as long as he can survive the 2014 season, we'll be the better for it by not just throwing money at middle of the road o-linemen this year.

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