Dorsey is a FAKE

[Mav]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

let's be real.. if chiefs some how got past the pats/broncos.. seahawks were going to slaughter you, and that's meant as no insult.. no afc team, hell most NFC teams can't match up against their defense this year. This draft is full of great offensive and defensive players. Don't give up on Dorsey yet.

Yet, Alex Smith won up there in 2011.

Beat them in 2012 too.

Alex Smith unlike some other qbs wont give the Seahawks the easy turnovers. Alex Smith is one of the qbs that would be seattles worst night mares. And you know it, and I know it. Stats be damned. He always made the right play, at the right time to beat them.

[New World Order]

After our losing record next season the board will be calling for Alex Smith's head.

Believe it.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by New World Order

After our losing record next season the board will be calling for Alex Smith's head.

Believe it.

Only if he has TD/INT ratio that's substantially worse than 1:1.

I think he'll continue to game manage his way through the season with most of his starts resembling games against Houston, Cleveland, Buffalo and the first Denver game more so than a game like we saw against Indianapolis in the postseason.

[Discuss Thrower]

The Chiefs, and therefore Dorsey, selected an offensive tackle from a mediocre, mid-major school who was benched in the playoffs due to a lack of skill and injury history even though this was a "consensus" can't-miss and supposedly safe pick.

The fact that this doesn't trouble most of the posters on this board makes me shake my head.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The Chiefs, and therefore Dorsey, selected an offensive tackle from a mediocre, mid-major school who was benched in the playoffs due to a lack of skill and injury history even though this was a "consensus" can't-miss and supposedly safe pick.

The fact that this doesn't trouble most of the posters on this board makes me shake my head.

well the guy on the bench that replaced him is clearly way better than him. Same as Schwartz being better than Asamoah. And I hope it's a fair competition in training camp this year and Fisher doesn't just get it because of where he was picked and we have to go through the growing pains. If Stephenson is the better LT, he should start there no matter what.

I'm afraid Albert is going to walk and they are going to give it to Fisher by default.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

well the guy on the bench that replaced him is clearly way better than him. Same as Schwartz being better than Asamoah. And I hope it's a fair competition in training camp this year and Fisher doesn't just get it because of where he was picked and we have to go through the growing pains. If Stephenson is the better LT, he should start there no matter what.

I'm afraid Albert is going to walk and they are going to give it to Fisher by default.

Stephenson was okay for most of the season. Don't know where this "way better" bullshit is coming from. He played better for a guy who was healthy and for a guy who was walking into his 2nd season, versus a guy playing a new position, playing hurt most of the season, and in a shortened offseason.

JFC. He was a ****ing rookie. I hope like hell we never draft a QB, because this place is going to be flipping their shit every time a rookie QB makes a mistake.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Stephenson was okay for most of the season. Don't know where this "way better" bullshit is coming from. He played better for a guy who was healthy and for a guy who was walking into his 2nd season, versus a guy playing a new position, playing hurt most of the season, and in a shortened offseason.

JFC. He was a ****ing rookie. I hope like hell we never draft a QB, because this place is going to be flipping their shit every time a rookie QB makes a mistake.

The offense had bar FAR its best performance with Fisher on the injury list.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The offense had bar FAR its best performance with Fisher on the injury list.

The offensive resurgence has a lot more to do with Alex Smith elevating his play than Fisher. Fisher was part of the strong offensive performances against Denver, Washington, and Oakland too. And the first Colts game, Fisher didn't play great, but the guy who really got handled was Stephenson at Left Tackle.

Fisher got off to a rough start. In midseason, he had an insanely difficult schedule that featured JJ Watt, Von Miller twice, the Browns' outstanding offensive line, the Colts, and even the Redskins and Bills' lines are nothing to slouch at.

He has an extremely long way to go, but he wasn't nearly as bad as people are making him out to be, and he clearly got better against a pretty brutal schedule.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The offense had bar FAR its best performance with Fisher on the injury list.

Exactly, such a waste of a pick.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The Chiefs, and therefore Dorsey, selected an offensive tackle from a mediocre, mid-major school who was benched in the playoffs due to a lack of skill and injury history even though this was a "consensus" can't-miss and supposedly safe pick.

The fact that this doesn't trouble most of the posters on this board makes me shake my head.

I'm not a fan of the Chiefs taking a Left Tackle.

But there is a ridiculous amount of exaggeration here.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Executive of the year? This is the same guy who had his choice of ANY player in college football and he drafted Eric Fisher. Your argument could be he traded for Alex Smith, but wasn't that Andy Reid's idea? Sean Smith, Marcus Cooper? Those pickups looked great for the first half of the year when we were playing quarterbacks like Jeff Tuel. Dunta Robinson looked like he had aids this year, another "big time FA signing." Travis Kelce, Nico Johnson, Sanders Commings, Eric Kush? I thought Dorsey was a gm who could find value at the top of the draft.

I have a bad feeling this year and next will resemble the 2010 and 2011 seasons. We do well and then the bottom drops out.

You're a special kind of reerun...

[mschiefs1984]

OMG a rookie played like a rookie FIRE DORSEY

Fisher got better as the year went along until he got hurt. That's what happens with rookies folks. I saw nothing to say he's going to be an all pro but he made progress so there's still hope that he can pan out.

Dorsey signed on to a 2-14 team and in year 1 with a WEAK draft class made the team into a playoff team. Was he perfect no. But there's nothing to wine about. Chill out

[mcaj22]

Dorsey also came out and said the #1 pick was down to three players, they scouted three heavily. So Fisher was never consensus, like say Pioli was the consensus on reaching for Tyson Jackson.

Fisher was picked for his untapped potential, his size and his comparisons to Joe Staley who came from the same school. He could end up good but the fact that he didn't show really any flashes, was hurt, then got benched for a 3rd round pick is caused for concern. Even the other raw developmental picks like TJax and Poe were never even benched in their first years, and in Poes case he at least SHOWED flashes his first season, where you could watch the games and say "ya know, with a real coach this kid is going to be good." Have you honestly seen that from Fisher in his first year? If you can say yes with a straight face, I'd be glad to hear it. But the facts are, Stephenson came in, Schwartz came in for Asamoah and the offense got better. The passing game was better, Alex Smith wasn't being smashed by guys coming off the edge clean as much, the running game was 100x better, and the offense took off the 2nd half the season. The facts are there whether you like it or not.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Dorsey also came out and said the #1 pick was down to three players, they scouted three heavily. So Fisher was never consensus, like say Pioli was the consensus on reaching for Tyson Jackson.

Fisher was picked for his untapped potential, his size and his comparisons to Joe Staley who came from the same school. He could end up good but the fact that he didn't show really any flashes, was hurt, then got benched for a 3rd round pick is caused for concern. Even the other raw developmental picks like TJax and Poe were never even benched in their first years, and in Poes case he at least SHOWED flashes his first season, where you could watch the games and say "ya know, with a real coach this kid is going to be good." Have you honestly seen that from Fisher in his first year? If you can say yes with a straight face, I'd be glad to hear it. But the facts are, Stephenson came in, Schwartz came in for Asamoah and the offense got better. The passing game was better, Alex Smith wasn't being smashed by guys coming off the edge clean as much, the running game was 100x better, and the offense took off the 2nd half the season. The facts are there whether you like it or not.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Dorsey also came out and said the #1 pick was down to three players, they scouted three heavily. So Fisher was never consensus, like say Pioli was the consensus on reaching for Tyson Jackson.

Fisher was picked for his untapped potential, his size and his comparisons to Joe Staley who came from the same school. He could end up good but the fact that he didn't show really any flashes, was hurt, then got benched for a 3rd round pick is caused for concern. Even the other raw developmental picks like TJax and Poe were never even benched in their first years, and in Poes case he at least SHOWED flashes his first season, where you could watch the games and say "ya know, with a real coach this kid is going to be good." Have you honestly seen that from Fisher in his first year? If you can say yes with a straight face, I'd be glad to hear it. But the facts are, Stephenson came in, Schwartz came in for Asamoah and the offense got better. The passing game was better, Alex Smith wasn't being smashed by guys coming off the edge clean as much, the running game was 100x better, and the offense took off the 2nd half the season. The facts are there whether you like it or not.

Fisher has shown many times that he's very athletic for a Tackle. He gets up the field in a hurry. He too often relies on the wrong technique, which will come with experience. And he got overmatched, which will improve with a true offseason conditioning program and a healthier shoulder. He will also benefit from playing Left Tackle, which is much less of a power position. These aren't guarantees he'll get better. But they're definitely reasons to be optimistic.

And stop with this BS that this offense looked great without him, and terrible with him. Alex Smith was the biggest reason for the turnaround, not Fisher. Fisher played very solid against Buffalo, but Smith shit the bed. Stephenson was the main guy who got exposed against Indy in the regular season. And Fisher played very well against Von Miller and Orakpo. He went from being a complete liability in the first half of the season, to playing at least well enough that you didn't notice him. That's not what you want from your 1.1, but it's not nearly as bad as his critics want to make him out to be.