Victory for Jamie Oliver in the U.S. as McDonald’s is forced to stop using pink slime

[kepp]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

McDonald's agenda is to make a lot of money by selling as much low cost food as it can. That's a pretty damned good agenda for our society.

Oliver's agenda is to needlessly scare people into eating only what he wants them to eat, while getting his name in the papers.


**** him.

You're kidding, right? You have to be kidding.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by kepp

You're kidding, right? You have to be kidding.

I had to do a double take. That's surely one of the first time I've ever heard someone truly believe that eating more McDonald's is better for society than eating healthy.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kepp

You're kidding, right? You have to be kidding.

Why would I be kidding? Low cost food is a good thing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Why would I be kidding? Low cost food is a good thing.

I'm sure saving a few dollars for a cheap burger is worth the cost of diabetes, health issues, and decreased workplace productivity. I'm sure this is worth the billions in health related costs associated with morbid obesity.

The basics of supply and demand is that if more people eat healthy food, healthy food can be priced lower. I would rather that than to sell people garbage that is creating a massive societal cost.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm sure saving a few dollars for a cheap burger is worth the cost of diabetes, health issues, and decreased workplace productivity. I'm sure this is worth the billions in health related costs associated with morbid obesity.

The basics of supply and demand is that if more people eat healthy food, healthy food can be priced lower. I would rather that than to sell people garbage that is creating a massive societal cost.

The problem of diabetes and health issues would remain if you closed every single McD's in the country. That's the point you're missing. It's not the access to a particular food that's the problem. It's the fact that people don't care. You can't make people eat healthy food by attempting to remove all the unhealthy food. That doesn't work, and that will never work. Fatties don't eat at McD's all the time because they don't have access to healthy food alternatives. They absolutely do, even within McD's itself.

You keep harping that people are being tricked, and they don't know that what they eat is unhealthy. But that's BS. The nutritional info is always available for everything they serve, for those that want to find out. What else do you want? A popup disclaimer every time somebody orders a Big Mac and large fries and coke that says "Hey fatty, you sure you know how many calories that is?" Come on.....

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Fish

You keep harping that people are being tricked, and they don't know that what they eat is unhealthy. But that's BS. The nutritional info is always available for everything they serve, for those that want to find out. What else do you want? A popup disclaimer every time somebody orders a Big Mac and large fries and coke that says "Hey fatty, you sure you know how many calories that is?" Come on.....

It's also perfectly possible to eat reasonably at a fast food place. Nobody says you have to eat 2000 calories each time you go.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Frosty

It's also perfectly possible to eat reasonably at a fast food place. Nobody says you have to eat 2000 calories each time you go.

What the ****, do you own stock or something?

Why don't you point me to the menu item that is reasonably healthy at McDonad's?

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

What the ****, do you own stock or something?

Why don't you point me to the menu item that is reasonably healthy at McDonad's?

No and I rarely eat there. I just know that if you eat decently most of the time occasional forays into fast food or junk food isn't going to hurt you assuming you don't gorge yourself. That's all I was saying.

Watch the first half of the documentary "Fat Head" sometime. It was an answer to "Supersize Me", where the film maker ate every meal at McD's except didn't stuff himself like Morgan Spurlock did. He lost weight and had his health markers (BP, cholesterol, etc) improve.

Then there was the nutrition professor that put himself on the Twinkie Diet and ate mostly junk food for 10 weeks (but kept the calories low - 1800/day) and lost weight and had his health markers improve.

I don't advocate (and have never said) to eat at McD's or eat junk food all of the time. Eating a mostly whole food diet is what I think is healthful (and what I strive for). However, if I'm on the road and choose to eat at fast food place due to time/cost, I don't freak the **** out about like some apparently do.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Why don't you point me to the menu item that is reasonably healthy at McDonad's?

Most of the items with grilled chicken have around 400 calories and 10-15 grams of fat.

Small fries has 100 calories and 11 grams of fat.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Fish

The problem of diabetes and health issues would remain if you closed every single McD's in the country. That's the point you're missing. It's not the access to a particular food that's the problem. It's the fact that people don't care. You can't make people eat healthy food by attempting to remove all the unhealthy food. That doesn't work, and that will never work. Fatties don't eat at McD's all the time because they don't have access to healthy food alternatives. They absolutely do, even within McD's itself.

You keep harping that people are being tricked, and they don't know that what they eat is unhealthy. But that's BS. The nutritional info is always available for everything they serve, for those that want to find out. What else do you want? A popup disclaimer every time somebody orders a Big Mac and large fries and coke that says "Hey fatty, you sure you know how many calories that is?" Come on.....

Yes. Exactly.

In California now, you have to have the nutritional content posted and the calories and fat listed next to the menu item.

So you walk into a TOGO's or Taco Bell, and it says "Chicken Caesar Panini - 1120 cal, 36g fat" or "Crunchwrap Supreme - 920 cal, 26 g."

And guess what?

I've walked into those places, read the board, and then walked out and gone somewhere else to get something healthy.

Therefore, based on my personal experience and not your hypothetical projections, I can say with 100% certainty...




It ****ing works.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Yes. Exactly.

In California now, you have to have the nutritional content posted and the calories and fat listed next to the menu item.

So you walk into a TOGO's or Taco Bell, and it says "Chicken Caesar Panini - 1120 cal, 36g fat" or "Crunchwrap Supreme - 920 cal, 26 g."

And guess what?

I've walked into those places, read the board, and then walked out and gone somewhere else to get something healthy.

Therefore, based on my personal experience and not your hypothetical projections, I can say with 100% certainty...




It ****ing works.

Except that exact thing has been done already, and the results showed that requiring food joints to post caloric info had absolutely no effect on obesity rates. Multiple studies have been done, showing what you're claiming is completely ineffective.

The hope is that posting calorie counts at chain restaurants—defined broadly to include Taco Bell, Applebee's, and Starbucks—will lead people to order healthier food for themselves and their children.

There's a kind of logic to this. Restaurant calories are big contributors to the obesity epidemic. Americans blow nearly half their food budget at restaurants and spend less than half the time cooking at home than they did 50 years ago. If people only knew how many calories were in that Applebee's cheeseburger (930, plus 400 more for the fries), surely they'd order something lighter. This common-sense assumption drives the public health community's full-throated support for posting calorie counts, and explains why, to name one example, the Center for Science in the Public Interest calls the new measure a "huge victory." Even the restaurant industry heaps praise: It "gives consumers one more way to live a healthy lifestyle."

Requiring chain restaurants to post calorie counts won't put a dent in the nation's obesity rates.

The trouble? Posting calorie counts won't help. We know because New York City has done it. Since 2008, chain restaurants in the city have had to post calorie information. In two studies, researchers at New York University compared the food choices of low-income children and adults from Newark, N.J. (where calories aren't posted) to the food choices of low-income New Yorkers. Although posting calorie counts raised consumer awareness somewhat, the researchers found that the measure had virtually no effect on what the New Yorkers actually purchased. Most distressingly, kids in New York were still eating as many calories as before. A third study looking at New York City and a fourth out of Seattle likewise found that little good came of posting calorie counts.

The ineffectiveness of similar regulations tells the same story. Since the mid-1990s, we've made food manufacturers print nutrition information, including calorie counts, on packaged foods. Time and again, however, studies show that few people notice nutritional information and even fewer use it effectively. As the FDA lamented in a 2004 report, "It may be that consumers do not take advantage of the available information on the food label to control their weight, perhaps because they do not appreciate how the information could be used for weight management purposes or perhaps because they find it too hard to apply the available information to such purposes."

http://hive.slate.com/hive/time-to-t.../whos-counting

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Fish

Except that exact thing has been done already, and the results showed that requiring food joints to post caloric info had absolutely no effect on obesity rates. Multiple studies have been done, showing what you're claiming is completely ineffective.

Except that it had an effect on MY obesity rate, so all of your info is completely pointless, and completely wrong.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fish

The problem of diabetes and health issues would remain if you closed every single McD's in the country. That's the point you're missing. It's not the access to a particular food that's the problem. It's the fact that people don't care. You can't make people eat healthy food by attempting to remove all the unhealthy food. That doesn't work, and that will never work. Fatties don't eat at McD's all the time because they don't have access to healthy food alternatives. They absolutely do, even within McD's itself.

You keep harping that people are being tricked, and they don't know that what they eat is unhealthy. But that's BS. The nutritional info is always available for everything they serve, for those that want to find out. What else do you want? A popup disclaimer every time somebody orders a Big Mac and large fries and coke that says "Hey fatty, you sure you know how many calories that is?" Come on.....

I didn't say get rid of McDonald's. I am talking about increasing transparency. People know fat content and calories. Do they know how local the meat is, what parts they're using, etc...? Do you really believe that all eaters are educated enough to know that many salads are also unhealthy?

You make a really huge assumption that all consumers are health educated. And that just knowing fat or sugar content is enough. More importantly, that there aren't consumers who try to eat healthy, but honest to god think a trip to panera for a sandwich and a diet coke is healthier.

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by Fish

The problem of diabetes and health issues would remain if you closed every single McD's in the country. That's the point you're missing. It's not the access to a particular food that's the problem. It's the fact that people don't care. You can't make people eat healthy food by attempting to remove all the unhealthy food. That doesn't work, and that will never work. Fatties don't eat at McD's all the time because they don't have access to healthy food alternatives. They absolutely do, even within McD's itself.

You keep harping that people are being tricked, and they don't know that what they eat is unhealthy. But that's BS. The nutritional info is always available for everything they serve, for those that want to find out. What else do you want? A popup disclaimer every time somebody orders a Big Mac and large fries and coke that says "Hey fatty, you sure you know how many calories that is?" Come on.....

This.

Seriously. Fish just won Chiefs Planet.

People don't give a single **** about what they're eating. I have no idea why, but people seem to think it's totally fine to balloon up like a whale and suck at life. It seems that people don't care about themselves at all anymore. Nobody is waiting in line for fast food thinking it's even moderately healthy yet they continue to eat it day after day.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Omaha

This.

Seriously. Fish just won Chiefs Planet.

People don't give a single **** about what they're eating. I have no idea why, but people seem to think it's totally fine to balloon up like a whale and suck at life. It seems that people don't care about themselves at all anymore. Nobody is waiting in line for fast food thinking it's even moderately healthy yet they continue to eat it day after day.

We have spent how many pages in this thread talking about ammonia hydroxide. I've had 20 different opinions on both sides. After this many pages, there STILL doesn't seem to be anything close to a right or wrong answer. And we're talking about people who are doing the right thing, and at least doing some research to find an answer.

That tells you how unnecessarily hard it is to get the facts straight about what you eat. I completely disagree with you. I believe there are lots of people who are motivated to lose weight, but lose themselves in a massive sea of misinformation. They eat Panera and think they're eating healthy. They buy turkey substitute products that aren't breast meat. They drink gallons of orange juice instead of soda. And then, when they workout like crazy, try to eat sensibly and still don't lose weight, they become depressed and give up.

Again, people are entitled to eat how and what they want. I'm not judging them. But they need to know what they're putting in their bodies, and that goes way beyond education. It means that people have to have a better understanding of what goes into their bodies, and a healthy debate on ammonia hydroxide is a great example of that. Whether you agree with using it or not, there's one thing that's clear. It's an additive ingredient that is put into our food that most knew nothing about until someone like Jamie Oliver brought it to light.