Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

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[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You do realize Kap completing 56% of his passes and throwing 4 picks (and a fumble I think) in 3 games may have something to do with his defense giving up more points?

He doesn't understand that concept yet that's why he hates Alex so much.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I used his 2 best seasons. The pats went 11-5.

Well you skipped around some stuff. Alex's numbers are compiled over consecutive seasons.

Cassel's best 2 consecutive seasons combined = 14 wins and 16 losses, either way you go with it.

Not a valid comparison in any way shape or form.

[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

Over the last 3 seasons...

Beat:
Saints
Packers
Seahawks
Steelers
Bengals
Cowboys

Lost to:
Giants
Ravens

The 2 teams he lost to ended up winning the Superbowl. You were saying?

Silence?

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by loochy

What would he have done without that amazing D?
Sexual preference is independent of quarterbacking ability.

That's not saying much.

Please reference posts where people want the Chiefs to lose.

Correction: We have a great D and a great RB and a meh QB.

I could spend hours going back through and fill pages of hate filled post toward Alex- but that won't change anything. There will always be one more thing to knock him on. I am done with this miserable thread-the negativity is unbearable.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well you skipped around some stuff. Alex's numbers are compiled over consecutive seasons.

Cassel's best 2 consecutive seasons combined = 14 wins and 16 losses, either way you go with it.

Not a valid comparison in any way shape or form.

Its valid if you're comparing their 2 best seasons. I never stated they were consecutive nor was that a requisite.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

This entire discussion is about his ability to lead the team somewhere it hasn't been in 2 decades, which has little to do with the first 3 weeks of his first season here, just like Cassel going 3-0 in 2010. I assume I don't have to go into details on that... it'll be awesome if he can but not holding my breath, etc; I've only explained it 4000 times in this thread.

Okay cool. Then let me ask you this. Do you really feel that this offense will stay this way or even get worse as these weeks continue? ( I don't mean an occasional shit-the-bed game where nothing goes right. KC is bound to have a game or two like this. I mean a real slide or stagnation over 3-4 weeks and the wheels just start to come off )

As is, I find it hard to disagree that the offense will need to be better in the playoffs. Such a new team coming together... why wouldn't a fan with any shred of optimism expect that the offense can grow, gel, evolve, etc. into an offense that can better assist the defense in beating playoff teams?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Who cares about QB rating? Most worthless stat in football.

Christ, Matt Cassel had a rating of something like 114 in a game in which he threw for 90 yards and lost by 20+ points.

It's comical the lengths people will go to the defend AS.

Sure, let's forget about the countless other incredible seasons and the NINE championships on that list because AS has a better QB rating through 3 games this season.

Dear God, people.

I agree, point being a 3 game sample obviously doesn't determine who or what a player is.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Its valid if you're comparing their 2 best seasons. I never stated they were consecutive nor was that a requisite.

Okay then.

Originally Posted by Sorter

Cassel rode along for a 21-11 record, to play devil's advocate.

Cassel 2008 and 2010 = 21-11 which is a 52% win rate.

Alex Smith 2011 and 2012 = 19-5-1 which is a 76% win rate.

Since Alex played fewer games in 2012 we can throw in 2013's 3-0 start of you like.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I agree, point being a 3 game sample obviously doesn't determine who or what a player is.

The trend goes back to 2012. Its not just 2013. Kap still has a lower win % than Smith the last 2 years.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Okay then.



Cassel 2008 and 2010 = 21-11 which is a 52% win rate.

Alex Smith 2011 and 2012 = 19-5-1 which is a 76% win rate.

Since Alex played fewer games in 2012 we can throw in 2013's 3-0 start of you like.

That works

[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

We've been wrong about Smith being able to consistently beat playoff-caliber teams? Because if you've even been reading a small portion of what the "haters" and "whiners" have said, you would have gotten that point by now. No one ever said he couldn't go 3-0 in the regular season and a lot of people have said he's good for ~10 wins.

Stop reading what you want to read and get the ****ing point already.

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

Over the last 3 seasons...

Beat:
Saints
Packers
Seahawks
Steelers
Bengals
Cowboys

Lost to:
Giants
Ravens

The 2 teams he lost to ended up winning the Superbowl. You were saying?

and again, silence?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You do realize Kap completing 56% of his passes and throwing 4 picks (and a fumble I think) in 3 games may have something to do with his defense giving up more points?

One, I'm not sure where you get your stats, he's throwing for 60% so far this season. 3 TDs and 4 INTs.

Second, I'm not sure why you are only mentioning 3 of his 13 starts.

Third, he's throwing 59% with 13 TD and 7 INT over those 13 starts, with 631 yards rushing and 5 rushing TD's.

I don't think any of that equals a 13 PPG game swing.

In the 29 starts we keep referencing for Alex, you know how many times the defense gave up more than 24 points?

Three times.

Know how many times it's happened in Kap's 13 starts?

SEVEN.

You're going to blame that on 7 INT's over 13 games?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The trend goes back to 2012. Its not just 2013. Kap still has a lower win % than Smith the last 2 years.

That isn't the trend for all of the QB's he listed.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

Silence?

How many times do you want to argue the same points? I'm usually spent after the first several times. And not to move the goal posts, but I've mentioned it several times... I know I said playoff caliber, but I'm talking about winning in the 2nd round and beyond. It's been mentioned several times that any quarterback like Cassel can make the playoffs, and even someone like Tebow can win a game. And saying he's good for ~10 wins pretty much implies I'd expect him to make the playoffs.

There are definitely a couple of legit wins there... the Saints playoff game, at the Packers the following year. 13 points, 140 yards and 1td/1int vs Seattle, not so much... etc. No need to break it down, as stats obviously don't matter.

As I've said, again, several times... he'll get his chances to prove himself with this team. You know, the one I follow. But, I've been down this road several times, and I'm not going to act like I don't know what's at the end. If it's something different this time, it'll be a great surprise.

[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

One, I'm not sure where you get your stats, he's throwing for 60% so far this season. 3 TDs and 4 INTs.

Second, I'm not sure why you are only mentioning 3 of his 13 starts.

Third, he's throwing 59% with 13 TD and 7 INT over those 13 starts, with 631 yards rushing and 5 rushing TD's.

I don't think any of that equals a 13 PPG game swing.

In the 29 starts we keep referencing for Alex, you know how many times the defense gave up more than 24 points?

Three times.

Know how many times it's happened in Kap's 13 starts?

SEVEN.

You're going to blame that on 7 INT's over 13 games?

You obviously don't get it. It's simple really, when the other team scores more points you're going to have score more points to win. If the other team scores 17 points you don't need 24 points to win. Ball control and protecting the ball has a lot to do with it and KC fans should know better than anyone how important it is to winning.