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Less than 1 percent 42 19.44%
1-10 percent 65 30.09%
10-40 percent 69 31.94%
40-60 percent 21 9.72%
60-90 percent 5 2.31%
90+ BRONCOS ARE FRAUDS 14 6.48%
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:14 AM   #1
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I don't disagree, necessarily. I said I agreed with the facts of the OP -- it's when Clay tries to arrange them into a coherent argument that he runs into trouble.

Manning is like a Top 5 QB in the history of the goddamn league. The Chiefs can draft 20 QBs in the first round in a row, chances are none of them will be as good as Manning.

So -- how Manning being amazing has any reflection on what the Chiefs are trying to do is beyond me.
Manning being amazing is absolutely a reflection on the Chiefs. While Denver is "settling" for Manning, who by the by they got for no compensation to Indy, the Chiefs are settling for Alex Smith at the cost of two 2nd round picks. Our franchise can't figure out the QB position because they simply ignore the best way to obtain a great QB. Manning, Montana level FAs don't come around very often, but the Chiefs have certainly made a habit out of paying for mediocre players like they are the Mannings or Montanas of the world.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:19 AM   #2
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So I take it that you're comfortable admitting you are taking the wrong angle on the issue in the OP.

Clay in OP: The Broncos value the QB position properly, and the Chiefs don't. Just look at our odds this season!

Direckshun: Alex Smith, for all his faults, gives us the best chance to win this season.

Clay: Yeah, but what about next season?
The OP is purely about our chances of winning the division this season.

They are virtually nil, which is hilarious considering some of the posts spent on laughing at Peyton Manning this offseason.

I would have been more understanding with a rookie QB. Expectations would have been lower.

Now? lol

Sure hope we can get that wild card! Whee!
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:24 AM   #3
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The OP is purely about our chances of winning the division this season.

They are virtually nil, which is hilarious considering some of the posts spent on laughing at Peyton Manning this offseason.

I would have been more understanding with a rookie QB. Expectations would have been lower.

Now? lol

Sure hope we can get that wild card! Whee!
Mocking an opponent's QB is not exactly breaking news, but yeah, the idea that Manning was going to suck this year showcases a fundamental misunderstanding of why Manning is a Top 5 QB in the league's history.

I still have absolutely no idea what your argument is, Clay. I am befuddled.

You are criticizing the Chiefs for getting the QB that gives them the best chance to win this season, and openly admitting that expectations to win this year are actually lower with Smith or Manuel.

I just don't get it. I guess I'm stupid.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:30 AM   #4
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Mocking an opponent's QB is not exactly breaking news, but yeah, the idea that Manning was going to suck this year showcases a fundamental misunderstanding of why Manning is a Top 5 QB in the league's history.

I still have absolutely no idea what your argument is, Clay. I am befuddled.

You are criticizing the Chiefs for getting the QB that gives them the best chance to win this season, and openly admitting that expectations to win this year are actually lower with Smith or Manuel.

I just don't get it. I guess I'm stupid.
The point is: Alex Smith was a waste of our time. He's not getting past Manning.

We should have invested in a QB who had a chance to be good post-Manning.
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:52 AM   #5
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:55 AM   #6
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I honestly think our defense will be worse than we think. I'm not saying they're going to be horrible, but those that think we're going to be a TOP 5-10 defense will be surprised.

If our offense can't convert timely 3rd downs, the defense will be even worse.
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:57 AM   #7
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If our offense can't convert timely 3rd downs, the defense will be even worse.
Good thing we got Alex Smith then.... wait..shit.
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:57 AM   #8
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I still say Peyton goes down in week 4. We win the division going away.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:29 AM   #9
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Steelers are the class of the AFC, they'll likely go championship.

Manning's division to lose, here. point one percent chance the Chiefs do it -- though I voted 10/40... once you are below 40 % it doesn't really matter what the number is.
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Peyton looked great, but you know what didnt? Their run game is much much weaker than the Chiefs. Charles, Gray, Davis is really gonna be something this year. Denver is a passing team, Yes I thinkthe Chiefs will pass, but their run game is what is gonna slow alot of other teams down. Chiefs have as good a chance as anyone in the division. Alex will be very solid and very smart.
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Peyton looked great, but you know what didnt? Their run game is much much weaker than the Chiefs.


Come on. Who cares? This is 2013, not 1991.
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Peyton looked great, but you know what didnt? Their run game is much much weaker than the Chiefs.
They didn't need to run. Baltimore was gassed and Denver knew it and went right at them with the pass. They have a TON of new starters on defense. Much harder to stop the pass than the run. They were out of position on a few TD passes and then on otherse just flat out missed tackles. Again, bottom line, Denever didn't need to run it.
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They didn't need to run. Baltimore was gassed and Denver knew it and went right at them with the pass. They have a TON of new starters on defense. Much harder to stop the pass than the run. They were out of position on a few TD passes and then on otherse just flat out missed tackles. Again, bottom line, Denever didn't need to run it.
Denver's big area of concern on offense is rushing... Moreno and Hillman can't hold onto the rock and it's too risky to give either more than 10-12 'touches' a game. Jury is out on Ball...

They got off to a very slow start, dropped several key passes. They'll need to dramatically improve the run game, but the good thing was that Denver's defense held their runners very much in check, so that was positive. Charles and Company aren't going to be that much different from Rise and company.
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Peyton looked great, but you know what didnt? Their run game is much much weaker than the Chiefs. Charles, Gray, Davis is really gonna be something this year. Denver is a passing team, Yes I thinkthe Chiefs will pass, but their run game is what is gonna slow alot of other teams down. Chiefs have as good a chance as anyone in the division. Alex will be very solid and very smart.
Watching Alex try to outscore a Peyton led offense will be must see TV.
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Donks have the division (and subsequent yearly one-and-done playoff choke) on lock until Peyton retires. Then the Chiefs have a short window to win it in between Peyton's retirement and the rise of the Clowney/Jameis Winston dynasty in San Diego.
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