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Old 10-25-2017, 02:49 PM  
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The best and worst QBs when the opponent scores 24+
So there seems to be some question as to the validity of this metric in determining a quarterback's worth.

I assure you, it's nigh infallible, as we will prove post haste.

***The Official List of QB records vs teams scoring at least 24 points***

(active bolded/includes playoffs/starts only):

55 QBs on this list, 24 active, 21 retired.

TIER I (30 wins or .300 or better). Elites, HOFers. No game managers.

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Tom Brady 47-48 (.495 GOAT)
Joe Montana 23-25 (.479)
Aaron Rodgers 25-36 (.410)
Derek Carr 12-18 (.400) THIS SEEMS TO BODE WELL
Randall Cunningham: 19-29 (.396)
Peyton Manning 44-73 (.376)
Andrew Luck 15-26 (.367)
Matt Ryan 25-46 (.352)
Jim Kelly 20-37 (.351)
Kurt Warner 21-39 (.350)
Roger Staubach 10-19 (.345)
Tony Romo 17-37 (.315)
Drew Brees 39-85 (.314)
Johnny Unitas 18-38-2 (.310)
Rich Gannon 15-34 (.306)
Philip Rivers 25-57 (.305)
Brett Favre 35-83 (.296)
TIER II (20 wins or .215 or better) Elites, HOFers who had a rough go at some point, good QBs.

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Joe Flacco 16-38 (.296)
John Elway 22-53 (0.293)
Ben Roethlisberger 17-41 (.293)
Drew Bledsoe 21-51 (.292)
Joe Theismann 11-27 (.289)
Trent Green 17-42 (.288)
Dan Fouts 24-61 (0.282)
Donovan McNabb 14-36 (.280)
Steve Young 12-32 (.272)
Michael Vick 15-41-1 (.263)
Russell Wilson 7-20 (.259)
Cam Newton 11-31-1 (.256)
Dan Marino 22-64 (.255)
Matt Schaub 13-39 (.250)
Andy Dalton 10-28-2 (.250)
Matthew Stafford 14-44 (.241)
Kirk Cousins 7-21-1 (.241)
Len Dawson 12-37-2 (.235)
Jay Cutler 14-48 (.225)
Steve McNair 12-42 (.222)
Warren Moon 20-72 (.217)
Eli Manning 22-80 (.215) MENDOZA LINE FOR MODERN DAY QB RELEVANCY. ABANDON HOPE BELOW.
TIER III (10 wins or fewer or less than .215) Worthless vagabond mediocre game manager retreads

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Ryan Tannehill 7-26 (.212)
Chad Pennington 6-23 (.207)
Matt Cassel 8-31 (.205)
Sam Bradford 7-26-1 (.205)
Matt Hasselbeck 15-61 (.197)
Jon Kitna 12-53 (0.184)
Mark Sanchez 6-27 (.181)
Steve DeBerg 12-56 (0.176)
Jake Plummer 10-47 (.175)
Alex Smith 9-42-1 (.173)
Kerry Collins 12-64 (.158)
Brad Johnson 5-30 (.142)
Jeff George 8-52 (.133)
Vinny Testaverde 11-77 (.125)
Trent Dilfer 4-29 (.121)
Bill Kenney: 3-24 (.111)
Blake Bortles 3-24 (.111)
Ryan Fitzpatrick 6-49 (.109)
Josh McCown 3-29 (.093)
TIER IV

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(Current starters not listed due to low sample size: Wentz, Goff, Siemian, Winston, Prescott, Mariota, Taylor, Trubisky, Hoyer, Browns flavor of the week)

This list not only proves the validity of the stat via NFL history, but compares Smith to most of his relevant peers still playing the NFL. In both cases he comes up vastly, VASTLY short.

Close closed.

Tip your game manager on the way out.

And in case you were wondering...

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Old 10-25-2017, 04:52 PM   #46
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I'd take that rematch over seeing the Steelers again.


Absolutely. Tomlin breaks it off in fat Andy every time we play them. It’s embarrassing.
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I'd take that rematch over seeing the Steelers again.
Yeah...no Eric Berry...in the playoffs...against the GOAT.

I'll pass.
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Old 10-25-2017, 05:04 PM   #48
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Yeah...no Eric Berry...in the playoffs...against the GOAT.

I'll pass.
Well it's probably going to be one or the other.
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Looking at that list I almost shat myself.

Drew Brees has played in 124 games in which the opponent scored over 24 points.

Geezus Payton, get the guy a goddamn defense. Wow.
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Well it's probably going to be one or the other.
It's 1989. The Chiefs are the Eagles, and Alex Smith is Randall Cunningham.

Do you want your team to play the 49ers or the Giants in the playoffs?

Seems like a pretty easy choice.
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Tom wins 50 percent of the time in that situation so you should probably be afraid of a rematch.
I'm not sure what his record is when his opponents score more than 40 points.

I'm betting it's not close to .500 though.
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It's 1989. The Chiefs are the Eagles, and Alex Smith is Randall Cunningham.

Do you want your team to play the 49ers or the Giants in the playoffs?

Seems like a pretty easy choice.
I get that you're not drawing a comparison of the players so much, but comparing the dynamic... but man it just has to be said...

Alex ain't Randall Cunningham and this defense isn't the 89 Eagles.
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I'm not sure what his record is when his opponents score more than 40 points.

I'm betting it's not close to .500 though.
Let's look at it another way.

Do you have any confidence this D can hold Tom Brady under 30 in a playoff game?

Alex Smith against teams that score 30+ points: 3-23
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Let's look at it another way.

Do you have any confidence this D can hold Tom Brady under 30 in a playoff game?

Alex Smith against teams that score 30+ points: 3-23
No. I'm not. I'm not confident Alex can beat a team that scores 19 points in a playoff game. At home.

If it's the Steelers.

Anyway, I was just ****ing with you.
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I heard another interesting stat the other day. Apparently Smith is also really shitty in cold weather. Something like only 6 wins when the temp is under 30 degrees. Should pay off in the post season.

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