Chiefs Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal - Page 3

Quesadilla Joe · 08-09-2014, 04:59 PM

The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals.

But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul.

"I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person.

It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts.

Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me."

Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees.

That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators.

The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue.

Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23).

But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford.

Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins?

"I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/

I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Herpe

Exactly. I think he's willing to take less as long as the deal isn't easy for the Chiefs to get out of after a year or two. He just wants a commitment from KC.

Damn shame for him that it doesn't appear the Chiefs want to commit to him (knock on wood).

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:44 PM

Why would they commit to him long term?

He's given them one mediocre season. The team has all the leverage. If they are smart, they'll make him put up a monster season before offering anything long term.

CoMoChief · 08-09-2014, 05:44 PM

hes gonna get tagged. were going to pay Houston.

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

If he wants job security, he can take less money.

We're not giving him an Aaron Rodgers contract.

I said it a year ago.

he doesn't give a shit about the money. He wants the long term security.

HOW DARE HIM WANT TO STAY WITH THE CHIEFS FOR THE LONG TERM.

WHAT A DOUCHE.

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 05:45 PM

So, guess who will be the Chiefs 2015 starter, assuming they aren't ready to plug Bray or Murray in.

http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php...n=QB&Year=2015

Wouldn't mind Jake Locker out of that list.

**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I said it a year ago.

he doesn't give a shit about the money. He wants the long term security.

HOW DARE HIM WANT TO STAY WITH THE CHIEFS FOR THE LONG TERM.

WHAT A DOUCHE.

Where does it say he doesn't care about money? You are speculating at this point.
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**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why would they commit to him long term?

He's given them one mediocre season. The team has all the leverage. If they are smart, they'll make him put up a monster season before offering anything long term.

Your definition of mediocre, and those who run the football team, are vastly different.

And theirs is much closer to reality, than your biased, hateful one.

for the record.

Your team has an absolute shit set of receivers. you have an absolute shit offensive line, and are a kelce injury away from being absolutely awful.

You have Jamal Charles. and??

**Bowser** · 08-09-2014, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

So, guess who will be the Chiefs 2015 starter, assuming they aren't ready to plug Bray or Murray in.

http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php...n=QB&Year=2015

Wouldn't mind Jake Locker out of that list.

Christ, that list is one giant bucket of ****.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

hes gonna get tagged. were going to pay Houston.

That would be a ridiculously stupid move.

Yeah, let's give the guy we're unwilling to give big money to, well...big money.

Why double the cap hit for a guy you're not willing to commit to?

**RealSNR** · 08-09-2014, 05:48 PM

So if Alex gets injured, or Bray/Murray end up rocking it, or Alex just plain sucks, what does he expect the franchise to do?

Dorsey would be a fool to cave into Alex's demands like that. As long as Alex is getting paid more money per year than what he made under his old 49er contract, the Chiefs NEED to have an out in the contract of some type. I know Alex wants security, but he's likely not going to get it.

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Where does it say he doesn't care about money? You are speculating at this point.
Posted via Mobile Device

Just an opinion.

If he cared about money, he would just sign a short term deal. Those deals are big money up front.

He has always wanted to just be wanted.

Just an opinion of mine.

its the history he has shown.

mcaj22 · 08-09-2014, 05:49 PM

could you imagine if they have one franchise tag and have to chose between Houston or Alex next year?

this place would explode if they used the franchise tag on Alex and painted themselves into a corner with no deal with Houston

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That would be a ridiculously stupid move.

Yeah, let's give the guy we're unwilling to give big money to, well...big money.

Why double the cap hit for a guy you're not willing to commit to?

I think you are assuming its money. I believe its years.

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

could you imagine if they have one franchise tag and have to chose between Houston or Alex next year?

this place would explode if they used the franchise tag on Alex and painted themselves into a corner with no deal with Houston

It would seem the most logical to me that this is Hali's last year as a chief. They will use that money to sign Houston.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Your definition of mediocre, and those who run the football team, are vastly different.

And theirs is much closer to reality, than your biased, hateful one.

for the record.

Your team has an absolute shit set of receivers. you have an absolute shit offensive line, and are a kelce injury away from being absolutely awful.

You have Jamal Charles. and??

If you really believe this, it's even MORE reason to cut bait and move on to a younger QB who can grow alongside these young players.

If we're that shitty, we don't need to play Alex Smith $20M per to win a few extra games with no real chance to win in January/February.

08-09-2014, 04:59 PM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3878675	Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals. But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul. "I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice. Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person. It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts. Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me." Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees. That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators. The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue. Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23). But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford. Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins? "I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/ I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4811115	Why would they commit to him long term? He's given them one mediocre season. The team has all the leverage. If they are smart, they'll make him put up a monster season before offering anything long term.
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