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No | 153 | 71.83% | |
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04-13-2014, 10:38 AM | #166 |
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Oops, I didn't see Jakemall's response to your post. I didn't even think about using 2012 against your statement. Note, we're not talking about who's better. Just ceiling and floor.
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04-15-2014, 08:54 AM | #167 |
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I actually laughed out loud. I didn't just type lol... actually laughed and people said... what?
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04-15-2014, 09:07 AM | #169 |
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Alex Smith is good enough right now and probably will be for 2-3 more seasons. Krap might be good enough one day, but he isn't at the moment, and he doesn't seem to be the squeaky-clean high character guy that he was originally sold as.
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From Rotoworld: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...lin-kaepernick "Per the report, it was Ricardo Lockette who called the police after the woman reportedly refused to leave his apartment. The police then called a "crisis intervention team ," which deals with calls "involving people with mental illness including those with co-occurring substance use disorders." It's appearing less and less likely that any of Kaepernick, Lockette or Quinton Patton will be charged with a crime. Apr 14 - 5:15 PM" So Lockette called the police when the woman refused to leave his apartment, and Kaepernick was already gone by then. The boys called the cops on the crazy chick. Much ado about nothing. People are so quick to judge. |
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04-15-2014, 09:11 AM | #171 | |
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04-15-2014, 09:11 AM | #172 |
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Ok... but Kaep stepped onto the field surrounded by a superbowl-ready team.
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Will be fun to watch this season either way!
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04-15-2014, 09:17 AM | #174 |
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I wonder how many games it will take for our new line to gel?
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04-15-2014, 09:33 AM | #176 | |
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That bullshit about Kap's arm and deep accuracy is about as weak an attempt at spreading bullshit nonsense as I can remember. Arm strength When did Alex throw a football 60 mph at the combine? Kaepernick did. Deep Passing Accuracy Kaepernick was the 2nd most accurate deep passer in the NFL last year, behind Russell Wilson. Deep Passing Frequency Kaepernick was the 3rd most frequent deep passer in the NFL. Not3 Alex's rank of 31st. Source: http://regressing.deadspin.com/chart...nfl-1469917039 Alex vs. Kaepernick. Kaepernic, and it isn't even close. Kaepernick's floor is Alex's ceiling. |
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When I say Alex's ceiling is Kaepernick's floor, I mean that Alex and Kaepernick have been comparably effective QBs since 2011, with Alex about done developing, while Kaepernick has enormous room to fill out his ultimate potential. Alex is 98% done developing and what you have with him is what you get. Neither performance nor skill level will leap up substantially from here. QBs develop their entire careers, but he is approaching a limit to his ultimate development. I believe Colin Kaepernick has elite potential. He struggled and was poor often as a pocket passer last year. I know he came out of Nevada pretty raw and know he was going to take longer to develop than an Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson, who both came from pro-type programs in college. Every QB needs development in the NFL, but Kaepernick needed remedial coaching just to get what Luck and Wilson got in college. So I am predicting a leap in Kaepernick's performance going forward. Here is where most will laugh me off this forum. Colin is very intelligent, very coachable, is driven, has insane work ethic, and has a QB guru in Jim Harbaugh to groom him, personally if need be. That tells me that Kaepernick will eventually become an elite pocket passer along the lines of a Drew Brees. Like I said, nobody on this forum can see that. They all think he is a running QB that will never learn to pass the ball, Another Mike Vick or Kordell Stewart. I saw Steve Young's development in real time, and I can tell you that he was a bad passer when he came to Tampa Bay, and it was only Bill Walsh's coaching that was able to take his intelligence and drive and work ethic, and make him into an elite pocket passer. I am convinced Jim Harbaugh will do for Colin Kaepernick what Bill Walsh did for Steve Young. If Kaepernick is still struggling with reads and progressions and still bailing from a clean pocket to run, at the end of 2014, then I'll start to worry. About my only concern at this time is his ability to see the field. Jim Harbaugh just said that Johnny Manziel sees the field better than any college QB he has ever seen. About my only concern is how well Kaepernick is seeing the field, because he doesn't seem to see the field very well. He certainly fails to read progressions from sideline to sideline. But the jury is out on that. Steve Young said that pretty much every young QB has to learn how to read the field from sideline to sideline. Kaepernick is definitely struggling more than most young QBs with that. A full year with Crabtree, Boldin and Vernon Davis on the field will prove that one way or another. He will have no more excuses as a developing pocket passer if he is still struggling at the end of 2014 after a full year with those 3. So my claim that "Kaepernick's floor is Alex's ceiling" stems from my belief is that both QBs are about equally effective today, but Alex is virtually done developing while Kaepernick will develop into an elite pocket passer, with his legs making him an elite dual-threat weapon that can put a team on his shoulders. Only time will tell how wrong I am. This is why I am on record saying I wouldn't trade Kaepernick for any QB in the NFL except Andrew Luck, and maybe Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is elite and Luck is lock to be. Brady and Manning are old and almost out with Brees right behind them. There isn't a developing QB in the league I would want over Kaepernick except for Andrew Luck. And I've just explained why in this post. Last edited by Kaepernick; 04-15-2014 at 09:55 AM.. |
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04-15-2014, 10:08 AM | #178 | |
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Alex is the superior passer? I would post stats but I don't need to. How many yards did Alex amass on passes to Jamaal Charles behind the line of scrimmage? I'm not knocking Andy Reid's strategy to have Alex put the ball in the hands of your top offensive playmaker. That is good strategy. I'm just trying to remind you that a good chunk of your total passing yards last year came off passes to Charles behind the LOS that any serviceable QB could make. I have never seen Alex complete a pass like this one below, but if I just missed it, feel free to post it. Alex would never even attempt such a throw with a WR covered like that. Beautiful pocket presence by Kap as well, something he is often unjustly knocked for. Which is not to say I have never seen Alex make a great pass. The winning TD pass to Vernon Davis against the Saints in the 2011 Divisional game was a great pass by Alex. Last edited by Kaepernick; 04-15-2014 at 10:28 AM.. |
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Again... this upcoming season will only be the 2nd time in his entire career in which he has the same OC from the previous year. Prior to 2011, he'd only had one season in which he started in more than 10 games. The other years were a mess of QB carousels in which a team can't possibly hope to gain any kind of continuity - or he was out for an entire season with an injury to his throwing shoulder. An injury that was originally completely mis-diagnosed forcing Smith to play through considerable pain for much of the previous season - and is most likely the reason people have the misconception that he has a weak throwing arm. I have no idea what his ceiling is, I don't think anyone can know. He was so mis-used for so long, he is basically just now getting the opportunity to see what the **** he can do.
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04-15-2014, 10:12 AM | #180 | |
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didn't read, lolz... crawl on back to your SF board, Kaeperdicksucka. ( mostly kidding, I don't really care about this particular "debate" )
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