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There's literally no differentiation between your high end first rounders and the rest of the draft. If I think Jayron Hosely has long-term potential and want to keep him for 4 years, I have to pay him like the same amount that I'll be paying to an established badass C like John Sullivan. That's bizarre. Especially if, like I said, there's no way to keep these guys out of FA later. In the NFL, it's RFA that allows teams to really reap the rewards of the late-round picks that pan out, but that doesn't really exist under this setup. Ultimately I guess it's just a league decision to put greater emphasis on the free-agent market and I suppose that's defensible; it creates 2 thriving markets for players instead of 1. In the end, though, I'd like to see some mechanism whereby we can extend guys we think are about to bust out and actually extend them below market or the possibility of having a more graduate salary scale for later round picks.
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Yeah, I'm not liking the idea that it costs as much to lock up my punter long term costs as much as it does to lock up a QB for the same amount of time....that seems odd
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Ya, QB for 7 years should be like 200, P for 7 years should be like 50
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It's great when a simulation game can mimic reality as closely as possible, but there's a tradeoff between that level of complexity and both playability and unintended consequences that has to be considered.
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Another thing I'm wondering is if the market for elite players will be more expensive anyway. There's no limit on the amount you can pay for an elite quarterback, so will they blow by the 100 point mark on the free agent market? If that's the case, then rookies could become pretty cheap.
Nonetheless, thanks for the critiques. We're looking into everything people bring up. As patteeu said, we're trying to find a good balance between playability and complexity.
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I don't see a chance in hell that Cruz and Sherman don't go for well over $100 pts - I'd just be shocked. There are a few really bad teams that will have the money to spend, so they'll spend it and they'll drive that bidding through the roof. My team has quite a bit of young talent on it so I think I'm going to end up using nearly all my FA money on my own roster. But where I think it gets more dicey is not the high end guys, but rather the middle-tier players. I think Brandon Browner ends up with a 5 year deal at least. Some like Ramon Foster could even end up in the 4-5 year range and really, there's not a crapload of wiggle room in between the tiers. It'll be interesting to see how it goes and it will only get stranger over the next 2-3 years. I think we're going to have an active FA market, but I worry a little that it might stifle the trade market that way. We shall see.
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What if the player is unavailable for a portion of the contract through retirement, injury, etc? Say I sign Titus Young to a 7 year deal and he is unexpectedly unavailable from year 4 on, do I receive a portion of my money back or am I just SOL?
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If this has been covered in an earlier post, I apologize. Does the contract follow the player in a trade? Obviously a top player with five years remaining on a seven year contract would have more value than one year remaining. On the flip side, will owners have an opportunity to lockup newly acquired players after a trade or free agency? For instance, if I bid $25 on Andy Studebaker and win the auction, will I have an opportunity to immediately sign him to a seven year deal, or am I forced to bid based on the contract length I would like? For bids exceeding $400 (28 year contract) are player's children immediately considered under contract when they reach adulthood?
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In league 2, Cruz is already a happy member of the Los Angeles Knights. He was picked up in the initial veteran draft before the 2011 season, so he's not part of the free agent pool in that league. DJLN is in league 1.
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There is no extension of contracts without going through free agency. If you want a longer deal for Andy Studebaker, you need to bid more for him in free agency. Maximum contract length for any player is 7 years. |
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I'll echo cdcox's answers. One way to think about the contract lengths is that they're a ceiling, not a requirement. In general, teams will want to sign the better players to longer contracts, so this system is an easy way to do that. And if you want a high-priced player for only a year, who cares if you get the rights to him for seven years? It's all front-loaded and you paid the same for him, so you can drop him if you don't need him any more. And on the other end, in the Studebaker example, if you want to sign him to a seven-year deal it's probably because you think he's ascending. If that's the case then at some point he's going to hold out and demand a renegotiation. This system avoids that problem.
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Thanks for the answers. This all sounds great, I'm just trying to game out my four year plan.
One more question for this evening...As I understand the system, if a player's contract has ended, they come up on the FA market. Highest bid wins, then the previous contract holder has the option on beat that bid. Is that a one-and-done, or does the auction winner have an opportunity to come back and 're-raise', and go back and forth between the auction winner and previous owner?
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