An NFL insider rips Pioli for letting quality players go

[Quesadilla Joe]

The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity:

• “When you are $20 million-$25 million under the cap, you can’t afford to let a homegrown guy like Brandon Carr get out of the building. Carl Peterson drafted him in the fifth round — (GM) Scott (Pioli) didn’t draft him. (Carr) is a bona fide starter and he is young and you let him get away on his first contract without getting anything in return? Go and pay him, especailly if he is so far under the cap. You are going to bring in Stanford Routt, who is getting diced by whoever he is lining up against and expect the same results? Routt can’t cover himself up at night. He is like that great mule everyone wants to ride. They could have had their two corners locked up for at least 4-5 years with (Brandon) Flowers and Carr. Instead, Carr is down in Dallas having a good season. Brian Waters had a great year in New England last year. How many good years (in Atlanta) has Tony Gonzalez had now? Enough said.”

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...op-cornerbacks

[Oh Snap]

I have lost all confidence in Pioli. He doesn't know what the hell he is doing. Time for a change...

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Someone pull up Carrs PFF rating. There's talk of him sucking it up for Dallas, but as one who watches all the cowboys games I don't see it. Dallas gives up crap over the middle vs zone but Carr isn't thrown at often. In fact he looks to be iimproved over what he showed here, and he was pretty good here.

He was good with the Chiefs, that's all I care about.

[CarrOnCruzControl]

I just wanted to pop in and say hey. I'm a Cowboys fan and I really do come in peace.
I check out other teams forums regarding our free agent signings to get a feel of what the fans' preception of that player was.

I really wanted Carr this off season, over Finnegan, because of the age / upside / better overall attitude. I was thrilled we got him and I know how you all feel losing a player dear to your hearts.

He's done very well for us and speaks very highly of his time with the Chiefs. He always talks about how your organization gave him a chance.

I'm glad to see him used all over the field here. He's played LCB, RCB, SCB and Safety and done well.

Through these first 10 games of the season he's given up 26 receptions on 44 targets (59% comp) for 379 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and 6 PDs... which I'm very impressed with given the QBs in our Division, and the fact that he's on an entirely new defense... and going up against #1 WRs. Just 37 yards given up a game? I can definitely live with that.

Now my question, because I didn't watch many of your games, is who was the primary safety backing him up?

Our safeties have been banged up, so I'm curious if he played with the help of Berry? If not, that would make sense as to why he's doing well here despite our damaged D.

Thanks for your time.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by CarrOnCruzControl

I just wanted to pop in and say hey. I'm a Cowboys fan and I really do come in peace.
I check out other teams forums regarding our free agent signings to get a feel of what the fans' preception of that player was.

I really wanted Carr this off season, over Finnegan, because of the age / upside / better overall attitude. I was thrilled we got him and I know how you all feel losing a player dear to your hearts.

He's done very well for us and speaks very highly of his time with the Chiefs. He always talks about how your organization gave him a chance.

I'm glad to see him used all over the field here. He's played LCB, RCB, SCB and Safety and done well.

Through these first 10 games of the season he's given up 26 receptions on 44 targets (59% comp) for 379 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and 6 PDs... which I'm very impressed with given the QBs in our Division, and the fact that he's on an entirely new defense... and going up against #1 WRs. Just 37 yards given up a game? I can definitely live with that.

Now my question, because I didn't watch many of your games, is who was the primary safety backing him up?

Our safeties have been banged up, so I'm curious if he played with the help of Berry? If not, that would make sense as to why he's doing well here despite our damaged D.

Thanks for your time.

Last year he got no help from Eric Berry. Berry blew out his ACL early in the season.

Damn it, Egoli!

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by CarrOnCruzControl

I just wanted to pop in and say hey. I'm a Cowboys fan and I really do come in peace.
I check out other teams forums regarding our free agent signings to get a feel of what the fans' preception of that player was.

I really wanted Carr this off season, over Finnegan, because of the age / upside / better overall attitude. I was thrilled we got him and I know how you all feel losing a player dear to your hearts.

He's done very well for us and speaks very highly of his time with the Chiefs. He always talks about how your organization gave him a chance.

I'm glad to see him used all over the field here. He's played LCB, RCB, SCB and Safety and done well.

Through these first 10 games of the season he's given up 26 receptions on 44 targets (59% comp) for 379 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and 6 PDs... which I'm very impressed with given the QBs in our Division, and the fact that he's on an entirely new defense... and going up against #1 WRs. Just 37 yards given up a game? I can definitely live with that.

Now my question, because I didn't watch many of your games, is who was the primary safety backing him up?

Our safeties have been banged up, so I'm curious if he played with the help of Berry? If not, that would make sense as to why he's doing well here despite our damaged D.

Thanks for your time.

he played with absolute dogshit at safety his entire career as a Chief. He had one year with Berry at SS but even than that wasnt on his side. He played with guys like Kendrick Lewis (a horrible 5th round pick), Jarrad Page (scrub), Bernie Pollard, Sabby Piscitelli, Jon McGraw, MIKE ****ING BROWN. Yes that Mike Brown from the Bears. just a rotating cast of a pile of shit players at safety. He never had any talent behind him and pretty much progressed as a good corner entirely on his own without the help of any talent on this team on the back end, that's for sure.

[Chief_For_Life58]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

he played with absolute dogshit at safety his entire career as a Chief. He had one year with Berry at SS but even than that wasnt on his side. He played with guys like Kendrick Lewis (a horrible 5th round pick), Jarrad Page (scrub), Bernie Pollard, Sabby Piscitelli, Jon McGraw, MIKE ****ING BROWN. Yes that Mike Brown from the Bears. just a rotating cast of a pile of shit players at safety. He never had any talent behind him and pretty much progressed as a good corner entirely on his own without the help of any talent on this team on the back end, that's for sure.

lol

[mcaj22]

laugh but it's true. sad but true

[Quesadilla Joe]

From PFW this week...

• “What’s really interesting to me is what the Hunt family will do (this offseason). I think Clark (Hunt) will start leaning on some of the old regime and go back to what the people of Kansas City know and love. They never should have gotten rid of (former GM) Carl Peterson. It wasn’t like things were broken — they just decided they were going to change directions and it cost them.”

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...ntally-tougher

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

From PFW this week...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...ntally-tougher

Not you, but what you quoted.

[mcaj22]

Clark is really clueless outside of his circle of the same 10 guys that were relevant in 1996. and when he took a chance on the Patriots Tree he got exposed for what giant ****ing frauds they were. But I dont know how he didnt see that with how much failure there was already out there in Mangini, Romeo in Cleveland, Charlie Weiss everywhere, etc

[htismaqe]

Surely we don't deserve THAT.

Suffer through 4 years of hell only to GET CARL BACK?!?!?!

[CarrOnCruzControl]

Ah thanks for the insight. I completely forgot about Berry's injury.
Sensabaugh is not a bad safety by any means, but the other side has been a turnstile with injuries this season.

Funny. Carr went from one (Eric) Berry to another Barry (Church) at safety.

Hope everything works out for you guys. I enjoy watching Houston and Hali when I get the chance.

[Beef Supreme]

Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel — making fans long for the days of Carl Peterson and Marty Shottenheimer

[FloridaMan88]

• “What’s really interesting to me is what the Hunt family will do (this offseason). I think Clark (Hunt) will start leaning on some of the old regime and go back to what the people of Kansas City know and love. They never should have gotten rid of (former GM) Carl Peterson. It wasn’t like things were broken — they just decided they were going to change directions and it cost them.”

A 2-14 record in today's NFL is the definition of things being broken... even if it was a so called "rebuilding year" (the record of Dictator Carl's final team in KC).

This article also overlooks the fact the Chiefs had only two playoff appearances in the final 10 years of Dictator Carl's tenure in KC and had not won a playoff game in the final 15 years of Dictator Carl's tenure.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Clark is really clueless outside of his circle of the same 10 guys that were relevant in 1996. and when he took a chance on the Patriots Tree he got exposed for what giant ****ing frauds they were. But I dont know how he didnt see that with how much failure there was already out there in Mangini, Romeo in Cleveland, Charlie Weiss everywhere, etc

Listen, it's clear that Pioli was not the great hire it was purported to be, but at the time it was a near consensus home run. You can't act like everyone saw this coming.

Clearly, as another cp poster said, the 'Patriot Way' is stumbling onto Tom Brady in the 6th round and little else matters. In 2008, the jury was very much out on that.

The actual facts of the situation are bad enough.