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05-01-2017, 11:34 AM | #2 |
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There was talk they wanted back into the first round, I'm guessing it was for Foster?
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05-01-2017, 11:45 AM | #3 |
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05-01-2017, 12:35 PM | #4 |
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McQuay is an elite caliber athlete with great measurables who was a 5 star recruit. I'm glad Dorsey is taking these kind of guys late
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I think Chesson and McQuay are guys he drafted because Toub wanted them. I wouldn't be surprised if Toub really banged on the table for Chesson. In the 3rd day, I think you can count on one or two of those picks every year being guys that Dorsey has every expectation to contribute immediately on special teams. Perhaps that's just a natural product of a preference for athletes, but I think the preference for athletes late could just as easily be the byproduct of Dorsey looking for STs help in those rounds as well.
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05-01-2017, 02:10 PM | #6 |
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What I think is interesting is that we seem to treat our ST units as a pipeline for our primary units (Offense/Defense).
A lot of teams have journeymen or rooks occupying those roles, whereas each guy on our ST units has a legit consideration for blooming into a role player on those primary units. DJ and Murray come to mind immediately. Sorenson was an example of this as well. Guys like D. Robinson already has a fire under his ass, as evidenced by our 6 UDFA WR's and Chesson being drafted. Being good on ST's is not enough - you need to be good, but have upside, potential value beyond ST's. It creates a situation where you're either moving up, or you're moving out. No floating.
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05-01-2017, 03:08 PM | #7 |
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Yeah, I love our special teams stuff. Toub is the man
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05-02-2017, 07:26 AM | #8 |
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I'm thinking we were looking to trade up into the 1st for Foster, we prob offered to swap + our 4th but SF offered a 3rd and we no longer had one to barter with (comp picks aren't traded).
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05-02-2017, 08:53 AM | #10 |
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I don't know about Foster. Were there any reports that Foster was on our radar? Reports continued that the Chiefs wanted to trade into the top of the 2nd -- after Foster was selected.
Meanwhile, multiple reports came in that the Chiefs wanted Samuel. They reportedly tried to trade up into the 1st, and reportedly tried to keep trading at the top of the 2nd. Samuel went very early in the 2nd. Then the reports stopped. |
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05-02-2017, 10:13 AM | #11 |
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Goals Entering the 2017 NFL Draft: The Chiefs need to find a new quarterback because Alex Smith clearly isn't the answer. He'll continue to come up short in the playoffs. A signal-caller could be obtained at the bottom of the first round. A new running back and a No. 2 receiver are needed as well. Fortunately for the Chiefs, their defense is in pretty good shape and doesn't need very much beyond a linebacker and a second cornerback. 2017 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Some former NFL players do a good job on TV, but the danger with having them as analysts is that they're too close to other players and will be biased as a result. That is why it seemed like everyone went out of their way to defend Alex Smith in the wake of the Patrick Mahomes selection. The argument is that the Chiefs are so close that they need only a couple more pieces to win the Super Bowl. That's true, but one of the needed pieces happens to be a quarterback. Smith has proven that he's incapable of winning more than one playoff game per run because of his limitations, and Andy Reid finally recognized that. Mahomes is the complete opposite of Smith. He has a low floor because of the system he played in at Texas Tech, but he also has Brett Favre-type upside. If he takes to Reid's coaching - and I'm sure he will, given that he's hard-working and smart - he could develop into a Pro Bowl quarterback. It'll take some time, but it definitely can happen, and that's why Mahomes was the only quarterback in this entire class I would've spent a first-round pick on. That said, the Chiefs gave up a lot to get him, so it could backfire if they sustain many injuries in 2017 and drop from a playoff contender to a bottom-10 team, much like the Bengals did last season. However, I commend Kansas City for realizing that something had to be done to move the team forward, since it was just spinning its wheels and not really going anywhere with Smith at the helm. Moving on, Kansas City did well elsewhere. Tanoh Kpassagnon was a solid choice in the second round, and he has the athleticism and potential to be a force on the defensive line. Kareem Hunt is a perfect fit in Reid's system, and he could be the starting running back by the end of the year. Jehu Chesson was a bit of a reach, but the Chiefs moved down for him to acquire extra resources, and he could end up starting down the road anyway. I'd say the Chiefs had a solid draft overall. I'll give it a "B," as I think the trade was risky, but it could really pay off. Aside from that, I gave the Chiefs just one grade worse than a "B" (Ukeme Eligwe - "D") so they did a quality job with the 2017 NFL Draft. Read more at http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldra...gl1710o0dVl.99 |
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05-02-2017, 10:49 AM | #12 |
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They moved up for Chesson, no?
It made it a doubly bad pick.
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Walter likes the Chiefs' draft? The Earth may now spin off its axis.
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He says that the Chiefs biggest need to get over the hump is a QB. He says that the only QB he would've taken in the 1st is Mahomes. We know for a fact that he HAD to get to 10 to get Mahomes or the Saints were taking him....and yet he devalues the pick because we had to pay a fair amount to move up? It's 17 damn spots and we needed EXACTLY 17 spots; no more, no less. It was absolutely perfect and the amount paid to move up that many spots was a little less than I had expected. How can that be anything other than a perfect pick/trade given Walter's combination of needs and evaluation of the player? He even liked the Kpassagnon and Hunt picks and still only gave them a B. Meanwhile the Jags took a back that's going to have a 4 year career and a tackle that can't play the left side using more draft capital than the Chiefs gave up to get Mahomes (we used 27 and next year's pick in the 20s. They used a 4 and 36 this year) and that gets them a blow job? Oh **** off, Walter. Eh...whatev.
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