Cousins and Fields

[synthesis2]

So I'm good with getting blasted and I'm sure I'm not looking at this right but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would want either one of these guys to be their starting QB. Hear me out.

Very few teams in the NFL win a QB with a above average QB and even fewer win with a average QB. You have to have an elite QB and not just elite during the regular season but that "it" factor in the post season where they can put the team on their back and win a series of games including the big one. Stats are just stats but having that person that can WIN in the postseason vs. one who is happy to be there.

The way I size up both QB's and I'm good with getting blasted by people here.

Fields - Completely don't get it . 2 to 1 losing record, just barely more TD's to INT's and runs for around 500-600 yards a season. Does not look like a leader in anyway and if you tell me what do you think the odds are of winning a superbowl which is the entire point of the QB I would say there is a 0% chance you can win a superbowl with him. Do I think you could be a 500 team with him? maybe but no more than that. What do I think his worth is worth? No more than Trubisky maybe 3-5 million a year and a ok backup. I have no idea what this guy has done to prove to anyone that he is a QB that can make the playoffs and then win a SB. I'd be every penny to my name he never wins a SB in his life, heck I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't playing football in 3-5 years, he just isn't that good.


Cousins- yes his story on netflix was great and seems like a nice guy but lets be real, he can put up good regular season numbers but completely falls apart in the post season. Its probably in his head but physically he just isn't a very dynamic guy. His #1 focus isn't winning a superbowl, his number one focus is getting as much money as he can, period that's all... He never gives teams hometown discounts or cares about the city or the team, just cares about himself. If you say what are the odds you can win a SB with Cousins ? If you put his regular season and post season together he is alex smith (shorter) and thats it.
you might have a 1% chance to win a SB with him if his salary is 5-10 million to get an amazing team around him to win but he isn't worth more than 10 million a year because he isn't the kind of QB that can put a team on his back and win the big one and he is on the down side of his career now so it isn't getting better. The fact that people pay him the money he wants is crazy, good for the falcons... and I'm sure winning 8,9 or 10 gams is great........ Here's reality, "your not winning a superbowl, ever " with Kurt, nice guy but not good enough to do what Mahomes does. If I'm a team I say we will give you 10 million (which he wouldnt accept because he thinks he is worth 4X that amount) or draft a rookie where you don't know the upside, I mean who cares, if you can't make the superbowl keep trying to find your diamond in the rough until you do. Cousins isn't worth much because if th goal is to win a superbowl it will never happen with him. All he cares about is money, period...

[Jewish Rabbi]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

So I'm good with getting blasted and I'm sure I'm not looking at this right but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would want either one of these guys to be their starting QB. Here me out.

Very few teams in the NFL win a QB with a above average QB and even fewer win with a average QB. You have to have an elite QB and not just elite during the regular season but that "it" factor in the post season where they can put the team on their back and win a series of games including the big one. Stats are just stats but having that person that can WIN in the postseason vs. one who is happy to be there.

The way I size up both QB's and I'm good with getting blasted by people here.

Fields - Completely don't get it . 2 to 1 losing record, just barely more TD's to INT's and runs for around 500-600 yards a season. Does not look like a leader in anyway and if you tell me what do you think the odds are of winning a superbowl which is the entire point of the QB I would say there is a 0% chance you can win a superbowl with him. Do I think you could be a 500 team with him? maybe but no more than that. What do I think his worth is worth? No more than Trubisky maybe 3-5 million a year and a ok backup. I have no idea what this guy has done to prove to anyone that he is a QB that can make the playoffs and then win a SB. I'd be every penny to my name he never wins a SB in his life, heck I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't playing football in 3-5 years, he just isn't that good.


Cousins- yes his story on netflix was great and seems like a nice guy but lets be real, he can put up good regular season numbers but completely falls apart in the post season. Its probably in his head but physically he just isn't a very dynamic guy. His #1 focus isn't winning a superbowl, his number one focus is getting as much money as he can, period that's all... He never gives teams hometown discounts or cares about the city or the team, just cares about himself. If you say what are the odds you can win a SB with Cousins ? If you put his regular season and post season together he is alex smith (shorter) and thats it.
you might have a 1% chance to win a SB with him if his salary is 5-10 million to get an amazing team around him to win but he isn't worth more than 10 million a year because he isn't the kind of QB that can put a team on his back and win the big one and he is on the down side of his career now so it isn't getting better. The fact that people pay him the money he wants is crazy, good for the falcons... and I'm sure winning 8,9 or 10 gams is great........ Here's reality, "your not winning a superbowl, ever " with Kurt, nice guy but not good enough to do what Mahomes does. If I'm a team I say we will give you 10 million (which he wouldnt accept because he thinks he is worth 4X that amount) or draft a rookie where you don't know the upside, I mean who cares, if you can't make the superbowl keep trying to find your diamond in the rough until you do. Cousins isn't worth much because if th goal is to win a superbowl it will never happen with him. All he cares about is money, period...

Stopped reading at “here” me out

[kcgreene]

[T-post Tom]

Damn. Was hoping for a good incest on the family farm thread.

[Why Not?]

Sure. But elite quarterbacks are extremely hard to find. You can make a case that there is only 1 legit elite QB in the league right now. Allen, Burrow (when healthy) and I guess I’ll throw Lamar in there, are all very good to great. But how can you be considered elite if there is someone else clearly better than you are?

So, teams have to get quarterbacks to play for them. The reality is, Cousins is a top half of the league QB, proving how hard it is to find great, let alone elite, QBs

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Sure. But elite quarterbacks are extremely hard to find. You can make a case that there is only 1 legit elite QB in the league right now. Allen, Burrow (when healthy) and I guess I’ll throw Lamar in there, are all very good to great. But how can you be considered elite if there is someone else clearly better than you are?

So, teams have to get quarterbacks to play for them. The reality is, Cousins is a top half of the league QB, proving how hard it is to find great, let alone elite, QBs

I get it but why not take a chance on a rookie that potentially has a higher ceiling, if you know or are 99% sure Cousins can't win a superbowl what is the point? Might as well take a rookie, and use the money you would of paid him for putting a better team around him. If you hit on a player with a much higher ceiling then you have a shot but paying Cousins is basically saying we have a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs and once we are in we are done. Zero chance for a SB so what's the point.

[Rainbarrel]

Their children aren't poor and have to settle for baby wild animals as birthday gifts

[Molitoth]

Remember when the Chiefs brought in Alex Smith?

Same reason Atlanta brought in Cousins.

[FloridaMan88]

Atlanta could have signed Lamar Jackson last year and instead they are going with a brokedick 36 year old Kirk Cousins.

I am certainly no Lamar fan, but I'd rather have him than a 36 year old Kirk Cousins coming off an Achilles injury.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Atlanta could have signed Lamar Jackson last year and instead they are going with a brokedick 36 year old Kirk Cousins.

I am certainly no Lamar fan, but I'd rather have him than a 36 year old Kirk Cousins coming off an Achilles injury.

I wouldn't.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Atlanta could have signed Lamar Jackson last year and instead they are going with a brokedick 36 year old Kirk Cousins.

I am certainly no Lamar fan, but I'd rather have him than a 36 year old Kirk Cousins coming off an Achilles injury.

You're completely ignoring the fact that trading for Lamar would've also cost them multiple early picks.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You're completely ignoring the fact that trading for Lamar would've also cost them multiple early picks.

Lamar is one Achilles, knee, or ankle injury from being a FB playing QB. Kirk isn't ruined by an Achilles injury either. He also didn't cost multiple 1st round draft picks and $52 mil/yr they can easily get out of the Cousins deal in 2 years. Balt is stuck with Jackson until 2027.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Atlanta could have signed Lamar Jackson last year and instead they are going with a brokedick 36 year old Kirk Cousins.

I am certainly no Lamar fan, but I'd rather have him than a 36 year old Kirk Cousins coming off an Achilles injury.

No one could sign Lamar. Baltimore wanted too much in return plus a team having to pay him. And he still has playoff mantra. Well plus one win.

I hope I am not wrong. But the Henry signing makes them more one dimensional.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by Valiant

No one could sign Lamar. Baltimore wanted too much in return plus a team having to pay him. And he still has playoff mantra. Well plus one win.

I hope I am not wrong. But the Henry signing makes them more one dimensional.

Lamar’s ceiling if he can get the playoff yipes out of his head is very high and even being paid 50 million a year “could” win a Super Bowl , the key is could . Cousins just isn’t that good to take up 45-60 million a year and still have a chance . He “can’t win a Super Bowl” taking up that much of the cap with his abilities .

I know the real answer has to be along the lines of “I know I’ll never win a SB but I’m going to tell whoever pays me the most money that I want to retire there (which he has said about every team blah blah blah ) and win a Super Bowl which he knows he cannot taking up that much of the cap.

A different argument all together is did he/agent fleece every team he has played for taking as much money as possible not giving a sh$t about the team and just putting together serviceable seasons , bravo . When it comes to making the most with zero back that’s Kirk , nice guy but never has really had any cities heart in mind .

[Spott]

Here me out, who in the hell is Kurt Cousins?