Football The NFLPA says injury rates are significantly higher on artificial turf than on grass

**wazu** · 04-20-2023, 11:22 AM

A pretty bad look for the NFL. Glad Arrowhead has a grass field. Seems like a big key to our success this past half-decade has been good fortune on the injury front. I can't imagine a team making the conscious decision to opt for the "more injuries" approach.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...grass-in-2022/

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During the 2022 season, ESPN published data supplied by the NFL that purported to show that injury rates on grass and artificial turf were approximately the same. The NFL Players Association says that data was misleading, and that the NFL highlighted one outlier year’s worth of injury rates when the full body of research makes clear that players are injured more often on artificial turf.

According to the NFLPA, the NFL selectively released injury data from 2021 only, and 2021 happened to be an unusual year because injury rates on artificial turf and grass were very similar that year — although even in 2021, players were slightly more likely to be injured on turf. But in every other season besides 2021, the NFLPA says, injury rates were significantly higher on turf.

That includes the 2022 season, when injury rates on turf were as high as ever — and when the NFL didn’t make an effort to get those injury rates published by the media.

NFLPA President J.C. Tretter wrote on the NFLPA’s website that the injury data from the 2022 season makes clear that 2021 was a statistical outlier, and that in every other season for which there is injury data to compare grass and turf, grass has proven significantly safer.

“In short, last year, the gap – much like the NFL’s credibility with players on this issue – was as wide as it has ever been, proving that (as the NFLPA suspected) 2021 was in fact an outlier,” Tretter writes. “Now, 10 of the previous 11 years show the same exact thing — grass is a significantly safer surface than turf.”

Tretter said the players can’t trust the NFL when it would selectively release misleading data on players’ health and safety.

“The credibility the league has with the players on health and safety issues is virtually nonexistent,” Tretter writes. “Instead of following the long-term data (which is clear on this issue), listening to players and making the game safer, the NFL used an outlier year to engage in a PR campaign to convince everyone that the problem doesn’t actually exist.”

The union would prefer that every NFL stadium have a grass field, but it making little progress in convincing the league to take the issue seriously. In fact, this year one more stadium will have a turf field, as the Titans have announced that they’re replacing their grass with an artificial surface.

displacedinMN · 04-20-2023, 11:59 AM

exception to the rule-Arizona

in other news-water is wet

htismaqe · 04-20-2023, 12:01 PM

Artificial turf needs to be banned. It's a blight on the sport.

Chief Pagan · 04-20-2023, 12:46 PM

So is this because the surface is harder when a player lands on it?

Or because the surface provides a better grip for footwear and instead of the foot losing grip a knee blows out?

Or both?

I've always wondered whether on indoor artificial turf fields if you restricted the sort of cleats players could wear, so that at some point their foot would slip instead of their knee blowing out, would that improve player safety?

Megatron96 · 04-20-2023, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

So is this because the surface is harder when a player lands on it?

Or because the surface provides a better grip for footwear and instead of the foot losing grip a knee blows out?

Or both?

I've always wondered whether on indoor artificial turf fields if you restricted the sort of cleats players could wear, so that at some point their foot would slip instead of their knee blowing out, would that improve player safety?

Both. The harder surface invites more injuries when players fall/land on it, especially when another player is draped over another when they hit the ground, or if player 1 throws player 2 to the ground.

The faster surface doesn't give, so when a player cuts, pretty much all the torque concentrates in the ankle/knee or particularly when a defender grabs a ball-carrier and adds their momentum/weight to those joints, and eventually the soft tissues have to tear.

kccrow · 04-20-2023, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

So is this because the surface is harder when a player lands on it?

Or because the surface provides a better grip for footwear and instead of the foot losing grip a knee blows out?

Or both?

I've always wondered whether on indoor artificial turf fields if you restricted the sort of cleats players could wear, so that at some point their foot would slip instead of their knee blowing out, would that improve player safety?

Personal experience is that field turf is pretty close to landing on grass but the grip is better and that's not always a good thing. It also ****ing SUCKS ASS when it's hot. I played games on that shit when it was 90-95 and the 1 ft above the turf was reading 130-140 degrees. Shit is HOT. The little rubber granules get in your eyes and shit too and sting like a mother****er. Field turf is much more forgiving than straight-up astro turf though. That shit sucks. Nothing like playing on a rug stretched over concrete. You stick to that shit so bad and then the strawberries from rug burn is amazing good fun. Hate that shit with all that I am.

Jewish Rabbi · 04-20-2023, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Personal experience is that field turf is pretty close to landing on grass but the grip is better and that's not always a good thing. It also ****ing SUCKS ASS when it's hot. I played games on that shit when it was 90-95 and the 1 ft above the turf was reading 130-140 degrees. Shit is HOT. The little rubber granules get in your eyes and shit too and sting like a mother****er. Field turf is much more forgiving than straight-up astro turf though. That shit sucks. Nothing like playing on a rug stretched over concrete. You stick to that shit so bad and then the strawberries from rug burn is amazing good fun. Hate that shit with all that I am.

BRC Jr has just solved the issue with a personal anecdote, go ahead and lock this one up mods.

BleedingRed · 04-20-2023, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

BRC Jr has just solved the issue with a personal anecdote, go ahead and lock this one up mods.

HAUL HIM AWAY

kccrow · 04-20-2023, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

BRC Jr has just solved the issue with a personal anecdote, go ahead and lock this one up mods.

Sucks being the clueless ****, doesn't it?

You have no way to contribute aside from making tasteless jokes nobody finds amusing except for the other reeruns on this board.

I won't miss you when I'm gone cupcake, you can take comfort in that.

Chief Pagan · 04-20-2023, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Personal experience is that field turf is pretty close to landing on grass but the grip is better and that's not always a good thing. It also ****ing SUCKS ASS when it's hot. I played games on that shit when it was 90-95 and the 1 ft above the turf was reading 130-140 degrees. Shit is HOT. The little rubber granules get in your eyes and shit too and sting like a mother****er. Field turf is much more forgiving than straight-up astro turf though. That shit sucks. Nothing like playing on a rug stretched over concrete. You stick to that shit so bad and then the strawberries from rug burn is amazing good fun. Hate that shit with all that I am.

Right. But couldn't that be easily solved by restricting the type of cleat that could be worn?

That seems fairly straightforward if it would help protect knees.

Chiefshrink · 04-20-2023, 08:26 PM

You can't beat grass PERIOD You would think these owners would pay a little more in maintenance to protect their HUGE INVESTMENTS

Chief Pagan · 04-20-2023, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Artificial turf needs to be banned. It's a blight on the sport.

And what do you do about indoor stadiums?

htismaqe · 04-20-2023, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

And what do you do about indoor stadiums?

Great question but the answer should never be "well, we don't care if more players get injured".

**wazu** · 04-20-2023, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

And what do you do about indoor stadiums?

Probably just grandfather them in. Everybody else needs to make the switch. It would at least greatly reduce the overall number of games being played on artificial turf.

They won't do it though. Titans are in process of replacing grass with turf right now. Guess they felt that they could benefit from having fewer healthy players on game day.

MIAdragon · 04-20-2023, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

And what do you do about indoor stadiums?

Indoor grow houses seem to do ok. I’m sure the trillion dollar NFL could come up with something that works.

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