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Old 02-13-2017, 02:14 PM   Topic Starter
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Post your short list (realistic) for 27
1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Jarrad Davis
3. Haason Reddick
4. Christian McCaffrey
5. Alvin Kamara
6. John Ross

I feel pretty confident that barring Berry leaving, we will be going QB, ILB, or RB at 27.
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Old 02-13-2017, 03:06 PM   #2
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Mahomes/Watson
Jarrad Davis/Zach Cunningham
Sidney Jones/Teez Tabor
Budda Baker

I wouldn't be opposed to a WR like Ross. But feel like we are good enough there.

I'm all in for a QB, but it's tough to tell how that is going to fall on draft day.

I've said before Budda Baker is my official draft crush. I think he's the honey badger 2.0. He can play anywhere in the secondary and just makes plays.

Everyone talks about Berry being a FA, but we also need to remember Ron Parker is now 30. And his contract is easy to get out of when his play slips
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Old 02-13-2017, 04:33 PM   #3
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Reid isn't taking a QB in Rd 1 when we already have a legit QB. They will choose a playmaker that can start on day one. Our QB pick will be in rd 4-6
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Old 02-13-2017, 04:52 PM   #4
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Reid isn't taking a QB in Rd 1 when we already have a legit QB. They will choose a playmaker that can start on day one. Our QB pick will be in rd 4-6
Do you take a QB that needs a year or so to develop when you have a 33 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract? Or, do you just hope that you can somehow trade into the top 5 in a season or two for a guy, likely foregoing one to two seasons in the future due to lost picks from the trade?
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:03 PM   #5
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Do you take a QB that needs a year or so to develop when you have a 33 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract? Or, do you just hope that you can somehow trade into the top 5 in a season or two for a guy, likely foregoing one to two seasons in the future due to lost picks from the trade?
Why does everyone think a QB has to be drafted in rd 1 to be a potential replacement ? With good scouting which we have you can nail a playmaker nearly every time in the 1st round with exception to the QB position. Drafting QBs is a crap shoot except for once every 10 years a no brainer is there and then he gets taken in the top 5. If you're a good team and always drafting at the 25 spot then you have to give up your entire draft to move that high.
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:28 PM   #6
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Why does everyone think a QB has to be drafted in rd 1 to be a potential replacement ? With good scouting which we have you can nail a playmaker nearly every time in the 1st round with exception to the QB position. Drafting QBs is a crap shoot except for once every 10 years a no brainer is there and then he gets taken in the top 5. If you're a good team and always drafting at the 25 spot then you have to give up your entire draft to move that high.
A QB doesn't have to be drafted in round 1. The ones that show any promise whatsoever, more than holding a clipboard for the next 10 years, tend to be drafted in round 1. It is the one position in the sport that is over-drafted, significantly, every single year.

There is not a true 1st round QB in this year's draft, if you want to be extremely realistic about their value within their position versus that in other positions. At best, most are actually second round talents.

That said, if you want that 2nd round talent, and you're a team picking at the bottom of the round, there isn't a chance that guy is there outside the top 10 or so picks of the 2nd round. And that's what is left of any that didn't get snatched up in round 1 already because NFL teams or so insanely desperate to find QBs.

I would bet that one of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, or Mahomes will be there at 27, but I doubt more than one of those are. After those 4, there is a significant drop-off in talent and potential with the closest being either Peterman, an Alex Smith-esque player with seemingly limited upside, or Webb, a less accurate Nick Foles clone.

So, you almost have to take a shot early and hope, or you do it next year in the same type of situation. It's not really a matter of if you should toss a first at a QB and hope you strike gold, it's when. This year's group has some potential but all of them are young and need refinement. Not a bad time to jump for a bottom of the round team with an established starter to give them time.
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Reid isn't taking a QB in Rd 1 when we already have a legit QB. They will choose a playmaker that can start on day one. Our QB pick will be in rd 4-6
Reid doesn't run the draft.
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Oh yeah, I forgot Reid just calls dorsey after the draft and asks him what happened.
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How short of a list? Here's some thoughts...

If KC doesn't address inside linebacker during free agency nor via trade, some serious thought will go into all of these guys:

Haason Reddick (OLB/ILB)
Zach Cunningham (ILB)
Raekwon McMillan (ILB)
Jarrad Davis (ILB)

Although I doubt the Chiefs look at receivers early, they could be wondering about the future of Maclin at this point so I'd say:

John Ross (WR)
Curtis Samuel (WR)
Cooper Kupp (WR)

The Chiefs might look to boast a true dynamic TE duo and go for:

Bucky Hodges (TE)
David Njoku (TE)

I think it's' obvious that the Chiefs need to look for more at OG, so these guys are definitely going to be in the thought process:

Cam Robinson (OT/OG)
Dan Feeney (OG)
Forrest Lamp (OG)

Although I think the Chiefs should look to extend Terrance Mitchell, they might look to go for another big press type corner:

Cordrea Tankersley (CB)
Gareon Conley (CB)
Quincy Wilson (CB)
Marlon Humphrey (CB)

Depending on what happens with Berry, I think safety could be in play plus Ron Parker isn't getting younger, so:

Desmond King (CB/FS)
Marcus Wiliams (FS)
Budda Baker (FS)

Chiefs need a QBOTF, so....

Patrick Mahomes (QB)
DeShaun Watson (QB) - And I don't really see him falling

And, if they look at the pass rush last year, Ford got better but really dropped off as the season wore on and Houston hasn't been healthy, so it might be something to look at:

T.J. Watt (OLB)
Charles Harris (OLB)
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Here's some additional food for thought, since you have to be slightly forward looking as well...

2018 Scheduled Free Agents (Most Notable)

Jaye Howard - 34DE
Terrance Mitchell - CB
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff - RG
Dee Ford - OLB (Option, currently about $7.8 m)
Phillip Gaines - CB
Ramik Wilson - ILB
Rakeem Nunez-Roches - 34DE
Justin March-Lillard - ILB
Zach Fulton - OC/G
Anthony Sherman - FB
De'Anthony Thomas - RB/SR
Jamaal Charles - RB (may be 2017 cap casualty)
Nick Foles - QB (may be 2017 cap casualty)
Dustin Colquitt - P
Terrance Smith - ILB
Tyler Bray - QB
Kenneth Acker - CB

Also add in likely retirements of Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson after 2017 season.


Seems to be heavily looking at ILB, CB, OG, RB, QB, 34DE, and OLB, which coincides well with perceived needs in 2017 (add in S perhaps).
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Why does that set us back for years? Teams draft busts all the time in the 1st round. It only sets you back for years if you refuse to move on and find someone else.

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