Chiefs Let's have a discussion about 2017.

**BossChief** · 04-11-2016, 12:18 PM

As it currently sits, KC sits with 24m in cap space (according to overthecap and that doesn't include Ware/Wests deals) without Fisher, Poe or Berry under contract.

The team needs to either pick up Fishers 11.9m option (for 2017) by May 2nd iirc or decide to let him walk.

Fletcher Cox is turning down a 100m deal with 60 guaranteed...that impacts any negotiation KC is having with Poe...not sure how much, though.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the negotiations with Berry, too. Not too many safeties getting crazy money. I wonder what Berrys side is asking for and using as their leverage.

Eric Fisher is improving, but 12m is a lot of money.

Some big changes are on the horizon and I wouldn't be surprised if KC loses 1 or 2 of those guys.

**The Franchise** · 04-11-2016, 01:49 PM

What does Cox's contract have to do with Poe's contract? Cox doesn't play NT in a 3-4 defense.

Chief Roundup · 04-11-2016, 01:54 PM

Poe's agent will saying he deserves to be paid like one of the best Interior DL in the league whether that is DT or NT is going to be irrelevant.

Mr. Laz · 04-12-2016, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Poe's agent will saying he deserves to be paid like one of the best Interior DL in the league whether that is DT or NT is going to be irrelevant.

Poe is going to want huge money.

10m+ per

probably pushing towards 15

Keeping Howard was a big time move.

If Dorsey drafts interior DL this year(good year for it) then he is covering his ass for possibly losing Poe.

RunKC · 04-12-2016, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Poe is going to want huge money.

10m+ per

probably pushing towards 15

Keeping Howard was a big time move.

If Dorsey drafts interior DL this year(good year for it) then he is covering his ass for possibly losing Poe.

Chiefs are slotted at $24 million of cap space next year. I imagine Berry will sign and his cap hit this year will be lower like most teams. I also believe Fisher will get the 5th year option. With the cap rise expected to be like last year (why teams paid insane $$ for players this year), roughly $12m should expected to be added putting us around $36 million before making cuts.

$34 million sounds like worst case scenario, so Poe's deal would be a first year lower hit, Berry with probably $10 million in year 2 and Fisher's 5th year option of roughly $10 million would put us around $5 million to spend with cuts to open up more room.

2018 will be much tougher with he following guys being FA's:

Charles
J. Howard
Colquitt
D. Ford--5th year option?
A. Sherman
P. Gaines
A. Murray
Z. Fulton
LDT

Mr. Laz · 04-12-2016, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

2018 will be much tougher with he following guys being FA's:

Charles
J. Howard
Colquitt
D. Ford--5th year option?
A. Sherman
P. Gaines
A. Murray
Z. Fulton
LDT

That's not rough, Charles will be almost done completely.

Gaines and Ford will be the hardest on that list, but only if they 'blow up'.

Gaines could possible be starting on the outside by then.
Ford could be the passrusher we hope he could be.

The rest are medium level signees.

I suppose Murray could be our franchise starting QB by then. lol

Chief Roundup · 04-12-2016, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Poe is going to want huge money.

10m+ per

probably pushing towards 15

Keeping Howard was a big time move.

If Dorsey drafts interior DL this year(good year for it) then he is covering his ass for possibly losing Poe.

According to OTC Howard has the highest avg per year salary of all 3-4 DT at $5M per meanwhile Poe has been averaging $2.8M per year.
I think $15M per is way on out there in being reasonable. There are only a 4 or 5 guys in the league that make that or more and they are DE or 4-3 DT.
I think the most he could be looking at is what Malik Jackson just got from the Jags and that is really too much IMO.

O.city · 04-11-2016, 01:57 PM

Sign berry and fisher, tag poe twice then let him walk.

**the Talking Can** · 04-11-2016, 01:58 PM

doubt we keep poe and berry...draft might have some clues

fisher should give us a discount for being such a worthless pussy for 2 years, but that's not how it works..

**BossChief** · 04-11-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

doubt we keep poe and berry...draft might have some clues

fisher should give us a discount for being such a worthless pussy for 2 years, but that's not how it works..

Did you catch the interview of John Dorsey from a couple weeks ago?

He basically said they drafted Fisher with full understanding that his first 2 years were going to be bad and that he would start to get it in his third year if things go according to plan...

I thought that was a bit crazy to hear...they just saw that whole draft as crap.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 04-11-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Did you catch the interview of John Dorsey from a couple weeks ago?

He basically said they drafted Fisher with full understanding that his first 2 years were going to be bad and that he would start to get it in his third year if things go according to plan...

I thought that was a bit crazy to hear...they just saw that whole draft as crap.

Crap it was.... but damn if they didn't make it happen in the 3rd round with Kelce. I still remember hearing his name called and thinking, huh? Then, like with every player who we take, I looked up some video on him and proceeded to get an erection.

**BossChief** · 04-11-2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Crap it was.... but damn if they didn't make it happen in the 3rd round with Kelce. I still remember hearing his name called and thinking, huh? Then, like with every player who we take, I looked up some video on him and proceeded to get an erection.

I'm batting pretty nicely on that draft class from my impressions of everybody from my time at camp.

I totally missed on Knile Davis (he looked very impressive in camp) but other than that I said Kelce had probowl potential, that Fisher sucked terribly (I killed the guy based on just 1 on 1 drills when he was getting worked by everyone, even Austen Lane that was absolutely horrible.) and that Tyler Bray had the nicest deep ball I'd seen in camp,..but not much else...very raw.

Dorsey has been very solid in the draft.

RunKC · 04-11-2016, 04:30 PM

I can't believe this hasn't been brought up yet. Overthecap predicts we get 4 comp picks next year from the contracts of guys lost.

3.-->Sean Smith
4.-->Chase Daniel
6.-->Donald Stephenson
6.-->Tyvonn Branch
*Jeff Allen cancelled out by Mitchell Schwartz deal

It's gonna be fun as hell having 11 picks next year in the first year you can trade comp picks.

staylor26 · 04-11-2016, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Did you catch the interview of John Dorsey from a couple weeks ago?

He basically said they drafted Fisher with full understanding that his first 2 years were going to be bad and that he would start to get it in his third year if things go according to plan...

I thought that was a bit crazy to hear...they just saw that whole draft as crap.

Which interview was this?

I wouldn't doubt if that's the same case with Ford.

**the Talking Can** · 04-11-2016, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Did you catch the interview of John Dorsey from a couple weeks ago?

He basically said they drafted Fisher with full understanding that his first 2 years were going to be bad and that he would start to get it in his third year if things go according to plan...

I thought that was a bit crazy to hear...they just saw that whole draft as crap.

being diplomatic...cause the other answer is "we were surprised he sucked so much ass his first two years...a total pussy" (and also the truth)

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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $789611	I can't believe this hasn't been brought up yet. Overthecap predicts we get 4 comp picks next year from the contracts of guys lost. 3.-->Sean Smith 4.-->Chase Daniel 6.-->Donald Stephenson 6.-->Tyvonn Branch *Jeff Allen cancelled out by Mitchell Schwartz deal It's gonna be fun as hell having 11 picks next year in the first year you can trade comp picks.
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