Did Football Kill Junior?

[petegz28]

S I am listening to 610 on the way home and Nick Wright is talking all this shit about how playing football professionally kills the players.

Yes, we know the physical pounding takes some years off a player's life. But he was talking about the depression and such that players may experience after they retire and what not.


I have to call total BS on this.

Edit: I am not saying football didn't cause the depression. I am saying the way Nick Wright was trying to downplay other causes of depression vs. playing in the NFL was bunk.

[Fire Me Boy!]

No. I'd have to guess trauma and/or blood loss did it. Or a bullet.

[Garcia Bronco]

No it won't, IMO. It might change the game, but I think these changes were going to happen regardless. Much the way that the players started wearing helmets.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by petegz28

S I am listening to 610 on the way home and Nick Wright is talking all this shit about how playing football professionally kills the players.

Yes, we know the physical pounding takes some years off a player's life. But he was talking about the depression and such that players may experience after they retire and what not.


I have to call total BS on this.

Eh, Not calling it the cause or anything but not sure how you call total BS on it either.

The proof is in the pudding.

[rico]

God, you guys.... Junior is alive and well!



It's John Ritter who died. And it was a heart defect of some sort that got him.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by |Zoccer|

Eh, Not calling it the cause or anything but not sure how you call total BS on it either.

The proof is in the pudding.

I've looked through several piles of pudding and i've found proof of nothing but well...pudding and it's origins.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

I've looked through several piles of pudding and i've found proof of nothing but well...pudding and it's origins.

Yea, I have seen the places you get your information from.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by |Zoccer|

Yea, I have seen the places you get your information from.

Look bundle of sticks i don't buy that off brand pudding, this is the real deal!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by |Zoccer|

Eh, Not calling it the cause or anything but not sure how you call total BS on it either.

The proof is in the pudding.

What I am calling BS on is how he was implying that somehow Football aside from the armed services which he mentioned, causes this tragic behavior and playing pro football "kills the players".

Trauma and depression? Talk to someone who has a family and lost his job. Talk to a Police Office or Fire Fighter. Talk to someone who works in a hostile environment that has them stressed out to the max all the time.

There are occupational hazards to anything peolpe do. True football is very physical but other things such as stress take a physical and mental toll on people as well.

Wright was calling it "the cause". I can think of a lot worse situations than someone being depressed because they don't play pro sports anymore.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Wright was calling it "the cause". I can think of a lot worse situations than someone being depressed because they don't play pro sports anymore.

Is that really all he was saying? "He couldn't play football and he was sad"?

Or was he talking about ex-NFL players suffering from depression (and many other issues) because of the head injuries they've endured?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Is that really all he was saying? "He couldn't play football and he was sad"?

Or was he talking about ex-NFL players suffering from depression (and many other issues) because of the head injuries they've endured?

Little of both. He was saying depression and then would toss in dimentia from the physical contact. I could possibly buy the latter but I would think anyway that would have been diagnosed at some point given his past.

Depression is depression. How one gets to that point is rather trivial when you look at it.

I just didn't buy the idea that playing football caused this and the NFL really needs to look into it.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What I am calling BS on is how he was implying that somehow Football aside from the armed services which he mentioned, causes this tragic behavior and playing pro football "kills the players".

Trauma and depression? Talk to someone who has a family and lost his job. Talk to a Police Office or Fire Fighter. Talk to someone who works in a hostile environment that has them stressed out to the max all the time.

There are occupational hazards to anything peolpe do. True football is very physical but other things such as stress take a physical and mental toll on people as well.

Wright was calling it "the cause". I can think of a lot worse situations than someone being depressed because they don't play pro sports anymore.

I think you are minimalizing the stress it puts on someone physically and emotionally to be a professional football player. Not advocating kid gloves but your characterization is offbase.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What I am calling BS on is how he was implying that somehow Football aside from the armed services which he mentioned, causes this tragic behavior and playing pro football "kills the players".

Trauma and depression? Talk to someone who has a family and lost his job. Talk to a Police Office or Fire Fighter. Talk to someone who works in a hostile environment that has them stressed out to the max all the time.

There are occupational hazards to anything peolpe do. True football is very physical but other things such as stress take a physical and mental toll on people as well.

Wright was calling it "the cause". I can think of a lot worse situations than someone being depressed because they don't play pro sports anymore.

I didn't listen to the interview, but I suspect the trauma he was referring to was head trauma or TBI (tramatic brain injury)--and yeah, LOTS of people with TBI are depressed and/or commit suicide. There is no way you can take (or give) those kind of hits over years and not have it effect your noggin one way or another.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I didn't listen to the interview, but I suspect the trauma he was referring to was head trauma or TBI (tramatic brain injury)--and yeah, LOTS of people with TBI are depressed and/or commit suicide. There is no way you can take (or give) those kind of hits over years and not have it effect your noggin one way or another.

Actually what he referenced was something called "CTE?" I believe. Might be the same thing. I don't doubt that depression was involved. I don't rule out that the physical beating his body took may have had something to do with it. My with Wright was the way he was putting playing in the NFL above and beyond every other reason aside from being in the military. There was no consideration for other reasons people have depression. It was all kind of a "yea but when you play in the NFL" as if other reasons were not as valid.

It as just smarmy and you could tell he was trying to pimp it for the hype. I mean seriously, how do you blame the NFL, not playing football but the NFL?


And the great assumption being made is that football had something to do with his depression one way or the other and I think that's what gets me the most. I don't think there is any evidence that football had anything to do with his depression other than speculation. For all we know he was perfectly fine from a football aspect and was depressed cause his wife was banging the gardner cause Viagra can't couneract all the years or roids.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Actually what he referenced was something called "CTE?" I believe. Might be the same thing. I don't doubt that depression was involved. I don't rule out that the physical beating his body took may have had something to do with it. My with Wright was the way he was putting playing in the NFL above and beyond every other reason aside from being in the military. There was no consideration for other reasons people have depression. It was all kind of a "yea but when you play in the NFL" as if other reasons were not as valid.

It as just smarmy and you could tell he was trying to pimp it for the hype. I mean seriously, how do you blame the NFL, not playing football but the NFL?


And the great assumption being made is that football had something to do with his depression one way or the other and I think that's what gets me the most. I don't think there is any evidence that football had anything to do with his depression other than speculation. For all we know he was perfectly fine from a football aspect and was depressed cause his wife was banging the gardner cause Viagra can't couneract all the years or roids.

And that's a different American epidemic. The slow death of journalism.