Chiefs Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach

dlphg9 · 02:11 PM

Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl.

7 penalties for 82 yds on KC

1 penalty for 5 yds on TB

5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime.

On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties

The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38.

The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles.

Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down.

Very next play Bucs score a TD.

Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line.

The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game.

That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor.

Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do.

There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards.

These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come.

Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been.

Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties

His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties

Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined.

Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better.

Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

kcpasco · 02-08-2021, 03:15 AM

We didn’t score a single TD.

KC_Connection · 02-08-2021, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

We didn’t score a single TD.

We might have if we got phantom holding calls and DPIs on every Mahomes incompletion or interception, though. That ended up being a good strategy for Brady.

Just Passin' By · 02-08-2021, 03:20 AM

Same refs who let the Chiefs get away with a bunch of holding calls and an obvious face mask? Those refs? Those refs are what held the Chiefs to 9 points?

Both Chiefs' lines got their asses kicked, Brady outplayed Mahomes, and Tampa shut down Hill. That's what put the game out of reach.

Edit: KC's punting in the first half helped the Bucs win, too.

kcpasco · 02-08-2021, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

We might have if we got phantom holding calls and DPIs on every Mahomes incompletion or interception, though. That ended up being a good strategy for Brady.

The Bucs defense beat the shit out of our backup O line. It sucks but I’m not gonna blame the refs for that.

kcpasco · 02-08-2021, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Same refs who let the Chiefs get away with a bunch of holding calls and an obvious face mask? Those refs? Those refs are what held the Chiefs to 9 points?

Both Chiefs' lines got their asses kicked, Brady outplayed Mahomes, and Tampa shut down Hill. That's what put the game out of reach.

Edit: KC's punting in the first half helped the Bucs win, too.

Yes they beat the hell out of career backups.

dlphg9 · 02-08-2021, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Same refs who let the Chiefs get away with a bunch of holding calls and an obvious face mask? Those refs? Those refs are what held the Chiefs to 9 points?

Both Chiefs' lines got their asses kicked, Brady outplayed Mahomes, and Tampa shut down Hill. That's what put the game out of reach.

Edit: KC's punting in the first half helped the Bucs win, too.

Everyone holds and it's at the discretion of the refs to throw a flag and I'm sure they've ****ed a team Bradys played against with a perfectly timed holding call. The refs ruined this game just as much as the shitty o line. The refs help Tom time after time.

BlackOp · 02-08-2021, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties

His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties

That really is an amazing stat...and the thing is it doesnt even tell the whole story of when and where they occurred.

Bucs had 6 first downs off penalties in the first half...which is only two less that Brady's playoff opponents have received in 5 complete games...

In close games...you'll never beat him with that level of disparity.

The dude's career is fake...there is no other way to say it.

This is how he can have pedestrian numbers and 7 rings....hell, he had scored 3 1st quarter points in 9 SBs before tonight.

In two post-season games vs. Mahomes...he's had 2 INTs waved off for flags...both drives ended with a TD. He's had crucial 3rd down passes hit the ground and ruled complete...even after review.

wbbonneriii · 02-08-2021, 03:48 AM

Agree with OP, the refs cost the Chiefs dearly - not even close. You wonder if perhaps the covid protocol stuff forced the NFL’s hand to say sorry you can play but you ain’t winning. The refs were paid off big time in this game - big time hose job.

I also wonder how much our offensive line was paid off to let the bucs harass mahomes all night...something is definitely fishy. I wouldn’t put it past Brady to pay off the Oline to not protect this game.

Titty Meat · 02-08-2021, 03:55 AM

dlphg9 · 02-08-2021, 03:59 AM

Ready for the influx of people that will come in here not read any of the OP and tell me I'm wrong.

Spott · 02-08-2021, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Ready for the influx of people that will come in here not read any of the OP and tell me I'm wrong.

The only thing that you were wrong about was the holding call on the punt. That one was pretty obvious and happened when to protect the punt from getting blocked. Even if the Chiefs would have played better, there’s no way the refs would have allowed them to win last night.

scho63 · 02-08-2021, 07:40 AM

How did the Bucs not receive any holding calls except one blatant one? That's what I call bullshit on for sure

lawrenceRaider · 02-08-2021, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63

How did the Bucs not receive any holding calls except one blatant one? That's what I call bullshit on for sure

Jesus dude, the Chiefs OL got away with a ton of blatant holding as well. The difference is your backups got destroyed anyway because they aren't even good enough to protect Mahomes holding for dear life.

Chiefs get pretty much all the calls these days. Your DB's constantly held/mugged the Bills receivers with few if any flags.

Injuries doomed you. Not officials. The smart play by the NFL was to have Mahomes beat Brady officially taking the torch.

Deberg_1990 · 02-08-2021, 07:53 AM

The refs are not why we lost.

I do wish everything was reviewable in the NFL. (Maybe just the playoffs) Too many bad/subjective PI calls that are hard to judge in real time.

02-08-2021, 03:11 AM
dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $1899653	Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl. 7 penalties for 82 yds on KC 1 penalty for 5 yds on TB 5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime. On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38. The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles. Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down. Very next play Bucs score a TD. Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line. The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game. That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor. Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do. There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards. These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come. Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been. Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined. Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better. Here's some more "interesting" stats So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized 47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards. His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards. Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called. 11 games 135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties. The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12. 50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing. Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom. Last edited by dlphg9; 02-09-2021 at 02:11 PM..
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wbbonneriii Starter Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $7970400	Agree with OP, the refs cost the Chiefs dearly - not even close. You wonder if perhaps the covid protocol stuff forced the NFL’s hand to say sorry you can play but you ain’t winning. The refs were paid off big time in this game - big time hose job. I also wonder how much our offensive line was paid off to let the bucs harass mahomes all night...something is definitely fishy. I wouldn’t put it past Brady to pay off the Oline to not protect this game.
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