Chiefs Post June 1st Cuts

Direckshun · 03-05-2015, 01:56 PM

Question.

What does this phrase mean?

I read in the Bowe thread that if we designate him as a post-June-1st cut, it creates $11m in cap space, rather than the $5mm in cap space if they didn't.

Why is that a policy? Why would the Chiefs NOT do that?

Thanks in advance for all serious responses.

silver5liter · 03-05-2015, 01:58 PM

If we make, say Bowe, a post June cut then we wouldnt get that money back on the cap until June and we would also have to eat more up front money of his contract i believe.

**Dave Lane** · 03-05-2015, 01:59 PM

You get to add an extra year of splitting the signing bonus money by doing a post June 1 cut

Discuss Thrower · 03-05-2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

You get to add an extra year of splitting the signing bonus money by doing a post June 1 cut

Also gives a veteran a chance at getting signed during free agency in March versus June when the rest of the league rosters are set and salary cap is mostly settled.

Direckshun · 03-05-2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by silver5liter

If we make, say Bowe, a post June cut then we wouldnt get that money back on the cap until June and we would also have to eat more up front money of his contract i believe.

Ah. So it's incentive for teams to release their players SOONER, rather than hang onto them until June and the players have nowhere to go.

saphojunkie · 03-05-2015, 02:01 PM

When you cut a player, the prorated bonus is accelerated to all hit the cap this year. As a post June 1 cut, or a designated post-June 1 cut, that accelerated cap hit is divided between this year and next year.

Bowe is currently owed $9M in signing bonus. His cap hit for this year is $14M. If we cut him outright, then that $9M is accelerated to hit this year. If we designate Bowe as a post-June 1 cut, it is split between this year and next.

So...

Cut Bowe outright, and his cap number drops from $14M to $9M (dead money).

Cut him post June 1, and his cap number drops from $14M to $4.5M this year and $4.5M next year.

Basically, this allows teams to cut veterans in time for them to still catch on with another team early in free agency. Otherwise, teams would hold onto those players until summertime, when their cap hits can be spread out, but the free agency market has dried.

**BossChief** · 03-05-2015, 02:12 PM

I don't know how they got that 11m figure, either.

14-4.5=9.5

**Meatloaf** · 03-05-2015, 02:15 PM

Not sure if this helps, but.....

With free agency set to begin Tuesday, it’s a virtual certainty that the Chiefs will have to make some roster moves.

They currently sit about $5.5 million over the salary cap because of their decision to franchise tag linebacker Justin Houston, and all teams have to be under the cap by the start of the new league year, which again is Tuesday.

The most bandied-about scenario to create cap room involves releasing veteran receiver Dwayne Bowe. The 30-year-old receiver, who is set to have a cap number of $14 million in 2015, has averaged 58 catches and 713 yards in his two seasons under coach Andy Reid, and Bowe was a part of a wide receiving corps that did not score a touchdown all season in 2014.

That makes him an obvious candidate for release. Doing so would create $5 million in cap space in 2015, but stick the Chiefs with $9 million in dead money this season.

The Chiefs also could designate Bowe as a post-June 1 cut, which will save them $11 million (with $3 million in dead money) in 2015, but there are some catches. First off, doing so would not help them this month; Bowe’s full salary would remain on the books until June 2, which means the Chiefs would not benefit from the additional space unless they like some players who end up being released this summer.

Placing the post-June 1 designation on Bowe would cause the Chiefs to have up to $6 million in dead money in 2016, so they’d essentially be kicking the can down the road on their cap issues.

What might make both sense for both sides is a restructure, though time might be running out on that option. Bowe is still their best receiver, and releasing him would make second-year pro Albert Wilson, who caught 16 passes for 260 yards as a rookie in 2014, their most productive returning player at the position.

“Why not see if he’s open to a pay cut to go from $11 million to $6 million where he can earn it back with reachable incentives,” cap analyst Joel Corry told me in The Star’s offseason Chiefs preview. “There’s no dead money at that point, so it would be the same savings as if you were to cut him normally.”

Depending on Bowe’s market value, Corry added, a restructured deal might be more than Bowe could make on the open market.

To reach Terez A. Paylor, call 816-234-4489 or send email to tpaylor@kcstar.com. Follow him on Twitter: @TerezPaylor.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

**wazu** · 03-05-2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Basically, this allows teams to cut veterans in time for them to still catch on with another team early in free agency. Otherwise, teams would hold onto those players until summertime, when their cap hits can be spread out, but the free agency market has dried.

So we could cut him now but designate as "June 1"?

Dunerdr · 03-05-2015, 02:42 PM

There's no justin Houston in here?

saphojunkie · 03-05-2015, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu

So we could cut him now but designate as "June 1"?

Yes, but that money wouldn't come off the books until June 1.

saphojunkie · 03-05-2015, 03:05 PM

The reason why Terez Paylor is confused on the numbers is this:

Bowe has a $3M prorated bonus this year.

His salary is 10.75M and he has a 250k roster bonus. There's the 11 Million.

However, what Terez isn't factoring in is that when you cut a player, his FULL signing bonus accelerates. The $11M in savings is cash, not cap space.

Eleazar · 03-05-2015, 03:20 PM

It means they are cut after June 1.

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03-05-2015, 02:01 PM	#6
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4456550	When you cut a player, the prorated bonus is accelerated to all hit the cap this year. As a post June 1 cut, or a designated post-June 1 cut, that accelerated cap hit is divided between this year and next year. Bowe is currently owed $9M in signing bonus. His cap hit for this year is $14M. If we cut him outright, then that $9M is accelerated to hit this year. If we designate Bowe as a post-June 1 cut, it is split between this year and next. So... Cut Bowe outright, and his cap number drops from $14M to $9M (dead money). Cut him post June 1, and his cap number drops from $14M to $4.5M this year and $4.5M next year. Basically, this allows teams to cut veterans in time for them to still catch on with another team early in free agency. Otherwise, teams would hold onto those players until summertime, when their cap hits can be spread out, but the free agency market has dried.
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Meatloaf Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $4020359	Not sure if this helps, but..... With free agency set to begin Tuesday, it’s a virtual certainty that the Chiefs will have to make some roster moves. They currently sit about $5.5 million over the salary cap because of their decision to franchise tag linebacker Justin Houston, and all teams have to be under the cap by the start of the new league year, which again is Tuesday. The most bandied-about scenario to create cap room involves releasing veteran receiver Dwayne Bowe. The 30-year-old receiver, who is set to have a cap number of $14 million in 2015, has averaged 58 catches and 713 yards in his two seasons under coach Andy Reid, and Bowe was a part of a wide receiving corps that did not score a touchdown all season in 2014. That makes him an obvious candidate for release. Doing so would create $5 million in cap space in 2015, but stick the Chiefs with $9 million in dead money this season. The Chiefs also could designate Bowe as a post-June 1 cut, which will save them $11 million (with $3 million in dead money) in 2015, but there are some catches. First off, doing so would not help them this month; Bowe’s full salary would remain on the books until June 2, which means the Chiefs would not benefit from the additional space unless they like some players who end up being released this summer. Placing the post-June 1 designation on Bowe would cause the Chiefs to have up to $6 million in dead money in 2016, so they’d essentially be kicking the can down the road on their cap issues. What might make both sense for both sides is a restructure, though time might be running out on that option. Bowe is still their best receiver, and releasing him would make second-year pro Albert Wilson, who caught 16 passes for 260 yards as a rookie in 2014, their most productive returning player at the position. “Why not see if he’s open to a pay cut to go from $11 million to $6 million where he can earn it back with reachable incentives,” cap analyst Joel Corry told me in The Star’s offseason Chiefs preview. “There’s no dead money at that point, so it would be the same savings as if you were to cut him normally.” Depending on Bowe’s market value, Corry added, a restructured deal might be more than Bowe could make on the open market. To reach Terez A. Paylor, call 816-234-4489 or send email to tpaylor@kcstar.com. Follow him on Twitter: @TerezPaylor. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy
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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4456550	The reason why Terez Paylor is confused on the numbers is this: Bowe has a $3M prorated bonus this year. His salary is 10.75M and he has a 250k roster bonus. There's the 11 Million. However, what Terez isn't factoring in is that when you cut a player, his FULL signing bonus accelerates. The $11M in savings is cash, not cap space.
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