No Pressure Fact: 1000% Less Sacks In Last 4 Weeks!

[SeeingRed]

Slice it however you want but facts are facts. The first 7 games the Chiefs D had 35 sacks (5 per game average) the last 4 games the Chiefs D has had just 2 sacks (0.5 per game average) thats a 1000 PERCENT drop off!! Not a 100% drop off, which would be 2.5 per game, but a WHOPPING 1000%!!!! And now we may have just lost the 2 guys responsible for more than half (20 of our 37 total) when Peyton Manning is pressured he is beatable but......well its pretty simple.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

Slice it however you want but facts are facts. The first 7 games the Chiefs D had 35 sacks (5 per game average) the last 4 games the Chiefs D has had just 2 sacks (0.5 per game average) thats a 1000 PERCENT drop off!! Not a 100% drop off, which would be 2.5 per game, but a WHOPPING 1000%!!!! And now we may have just lost the 2 guys responsible for more than half (20 of our 37 total) when Peyton Manning is pressured he is beatable but......well its pretty simple.

Facts aren't always necessarily facts. Sacks don't equal pressure and we were clearly getting pressure on Rivers until Houston/Hali left. In the case of Peyton Manning, we had a good gameplan even though we didn't get much pressure.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Facts aren't always necessarily facts. Sacks don't equal pressure and we were clearly getting pressure on Rivers until Houston/Hali left. In the case of Peyton Manning, we had a good gameplan even though we didn't get much pressure.

This.

Look at Denver's box score from the game we played against them, it is exactly what you would want to see. The people who bitch about the lack of sacks are the same people who only want to see home runs in a baseball game.

Now yesterdays game is a problem. The lack of a pass rush and a team who didn't need to respect our OLBs after Hali and Houston went out ran us over.

[SeeingRed]

Originally Posted by Hoover

This.

Look at Denver's box score from the game we played against them, it is exactly what you would want to see. The people who bitch about the lack of sacks are the same people who only want to see home runs in a baseball game.

Now yesterdays game is a problem. The lack of a pass rush and a team who didn't need to respect our OLBs after Hali and Houston went out ran us over.

I respectfully disagree. We didnt even hit Manning once...not one hit. Throughout his career the games I have seen Manning lose are when he gets rattled and roughed up a bit. The Cults did a good job of that this year and so did the Patriots in the 2nd half yesterday. If you dont hit that guy and knock him off his game a bit he is simply too good.

[Molitoth]

Other teams have watched film and adjusted. The Chiefs have not.

[Warrior5]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Other teams have watched film and adjusted. The Chiefs have not.

I was just about to ask, prior to yesterday's game, what was the root cause in drop-off in sacks/pressures. I agree that teams have adjusted.

So assume Sutton is a CP lurker... what advice do you give him for this week's prep for the Donks?

Thoughts anyone?

[SeeingRed]

Originally Posted by Warrior5

I was just about to ask, prior to yesterday's game, what was the root cause in drop-off in sacks/pressures. I agree that teams have adjusted.

So assume Sutton is a CP lurker... what advice do you give him for this week's prep for the Donks?

Thoughts anyone?

Put the best pass rusher you got left on the field and let him so what he does. Besides d backfield you only got 2 guys left who have pass rushing skill. Must use them and/or dial up exotic blitzes to throw manning off...but hes pretty smart so careful. But any pressure that can be gotten up front needs to be employed. The teams best remaining rusher didnt play. Best rusher BY FAR is Catapano 2nd best is Zombo. Lets hope Houston can go

[bricks]

Originally Posted by Warrior5

I was just about to ask, prior to yesterday's game, what was the root cause in drop-off in sacks/pressures. I agree that teams have adjusted.

So assume Sutton is a CP lurker... what advice do you give him for this week's prep for the Donks?

Thoughts anyone?

As crazy as this may sound, Im for blitzing Peyton Manning.

I would back off a bit on the press man-to-man coverage and I would do a mixture of both dropping our db's back and get them to play a little more zone coverage that way we don't get burned but also blitz Peyton as well with our DB's. There should be a combination of both zone play and blitzing. Is it possible to use 7-8 DB's in defensive sets? And also go with a 3 man rush? I think we should blitz Berry more, and heck even Flowers or Abdullah. I would be playing DB's for most of the game.

I don't think you're gonna pressure Manning with a straight up passrush anyway so why even bother going that route? By the time the passrusher has to get by the OT, that usually takes 3-4 seconds and then next thing you know the ball is out.

If he gets rid of the ball in 2.5-3 seconds, you as a defense have to counteract that by making sure you get there in like 2 seconds. Blitzing is a good strategy imo but the blitzes have to effectively timed. Speed is the key because he is quick at getting rid of the ball so you have to show that you're faster getting there and if he beats you, at least you got guys back there playing zone.

I know blitzing sounds suicidal against Manning but at the same time you can't play conservative against him either and show you're afraid. Thats was the problem last time we played him. I don't like conservative approach if it means giving him a clean pocket because he is still going to pick you apart regardless. You want to beat QB's in this league, you have to go with the basics (pressure, pressure, pressure) still got to show that you can get in their faces and get them to force their throws so they can make mistakes. Im fine with giving up 27 points against Manning but not at the expense of "zero" pressure and mistakes.

[notorious]

Sutton.

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[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by bricks

As crazy as this may sound, Im for blitzing Peyton Manning.

I would back off a bit on the press man-to-man coverage and I would do a mixture of both dropping our db's back and get them to play a little more zone coverage that way we don't get burned but also blitz Peyton as well with our DB's. There should be a combination of both zone play and blitzing. Is it possible to use 7-8 DB's in defensive sets? And also go with a 3 man rush? I think we should blitz Berry more, and heck even Flowers or Abdullah. I would be playing DB's for most of the game.

I don't think you're gonna pressure Manning with a straight up passrush anyway so why even bother going that route? By the time the passrusher has to get by the OT, that usually takes 3-4 seconds and then next thing you know the ball is out.

If he gets rid of the ball in 2.5-3 seconds, you as a defense have to counteract that by making sure you get there in like 2 seconds. Blitzing is a good strategy imo but the blitzes have to effectively timed. Speed is the key because he is quick at getting rid of the ball so you have to show that you're faster getting there and if he beats you, at least you got guys back there playing zone.

I know blitzing sounds suicidal against Manning but at the same time you can't play conservative against him either and show you're afraid. Thats was the problem last time we played him. I don't like conservative approach if it means giving him a clean pocket because he is still going to pick you apart regardless. You want to beat QB's in this league, you have to go with the basics (pressure, pressure, pressure) still got to show that you can get in their faces and get them to force their throws so they can make mistakes. Im fine with giving up 27 points against Manning but not at the expense of "zero" pressure and mistakes.

I remember once when the Packers were all "We're gonna blitz manning!"

After 3 first quarter TD's, they stopped.

[BlackHelicopters]

Douche nozzle Manning is going to treat us like red-headed stepchildren.

[SeeingRed]

It makes ZERO sense to have the guy Chuck Smith calls "the most polished pass rusher in the 2013 draft" sitting on the bench with your two top dog rushers down when you have gotten 2 sacks and 4 games. Lets see what the kid's got already! Unless he is still hobbled by the ankle but if he can go Cat may be a secret weapon who actually helps give us a shot at this game. I could see Catapano, Zombo getting to Manning. Its a combo there isnt much film on that Denver can study

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

and so did the Patriots in the 2nd half yesterday. If you dont hit that guy and knock him off his game a bit he is simply too good.

Do you think Denver has a bit of a different game plan when they are in a shoot-out or behind? Maybe they were forced to throw the ball a bit more against NE. KC scored the fewest points against Denver all season. There was no reason for Manning to sit in the pocket and take his time. They didn't need him to.

[SeeingRed]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Do you think Denver has a bit of a different game plan when they are in a shoot-out or behind? Maybe they were forced to throw the ball a bit more against NE. KC scored the fewest points against Denver all season. There was no reason for Manning to sit in the pocket and take his time. They didn't need him to.

They only scored 6 points in the 2nd half......spin it however but at one point they were up 24 and another trying to come from behind but the Pats got hits on him. As did the Cults. Something we did not. Not even one

[whoman69]

Manning loves the blitz. He knows it opens holes in coverage and he has the foresight to see them.