The best and worst QBs when the opponent scores 24+

[Hammock Parties]

So there seems to be some question as to the validity of this metric in determining a quarterback's worth.

I assure you, it's nigh infallible, as we will prove post haste.

***The Official List of QB records vs teams scoring at least 24 points***

(active bolded/includes playoffs/starts only):

55 QBs on this list, 24 active, 21 retired.

TIER I (30 wins or .300 or better). Elites, HOFers. No game managers.

Tom Brady 47-48 (.495 GOAT)
Joe Montana 23-25 (.479)
Aaron Rodgers 25-36 (.410)
Derek Carr 12-18 (.400) THIS SEEMS TO BODE WELL
Randall Cunningham: 19-29 (.396)
Peyton Manning 44-73 (.376)
Andrew Luck 15-26 (.367)
Matt Ryan 25-46 (.352)
Jim Kelly 20-37 (.351)
Kurt Warner 21-39 (.350)
Roger Staubach 10-19 (.345)
Tony Romo 17-37 (.315)
Drew Brees 39-85 (.314)
Johnny Unitas 18-38-2 (.310)
Rich Gannon 15-34 (.306)
Philip Rivers 25-57 (.305)
Brett Favre 35-83 (.296)

TIER II (20 wins or .215 or better) Elites, HOFers who had a rough go at some point, good QBs.

Joe Flacco 16-38 (.296)
John Elway 22-53 (0.293)
Ben Roethlisberger 17-41 (.293)
Drew Bledsoe 21-51 (.292)
Joe Theismann 11-27 (.289)
Trent Green 17-42 (.288)
Dan Fouts 24-61 (0.282)
Donovan McNabb 14-36 (.280)
Steve Young 12-32 (.272)
Michael Vick 15-41-1 (.263)
Russell Wilson 7-20 (.259)
Cam Newton 11-31-1 (.256)
Dan Marino 22-64 (.255)
Matt Schaub 13-39 (.250)
Andy Dalton 10-28-2 (.250)
Matthew Stafford 14-44 (.241)
Kirk Cousins 7-21-1 (.241)
Len Dawson 12-37-2 (.235)
Jay Cutler 14-48 (.225)
Steve McNair 12-42 (.222)
Warren Moon 20-72 (.217)
Eli Manning 22-80 (.215) MENDOZA LINE FOR MODERN DAY QB RELEVANCY. ABANDON HOPE BELOW.

TIER III (10 wins or fewer or less than .215) Worthless vagabond mediocre game manager retreads

Ryan Tannehill 7-26 (.212)
Chad Pennington 6-23 (.207)
Matt Cassel 8-31 (.205)
Sam Bradford 7-26-1 (.205)
Matt Hasselbeck 15-61 (.197)
Jon Kitna 12-53 (0.184)
Mark Sanchez 6-27 (.181)
Steve DeBerg 12-56 (0.176)
Jake Plummer 10-47 (.175)
Alex Smith 9-42-1 (.173)
Kerry Collins 12-64 (.158)
Brad Johnson 5-30 (.142)
Jeff George 8-52 (.133)
Vinny Testaverde 11-77 (.125)
Trent Dilfer 4-29 (.121)
Bill Kenney: 3-24 (.111)
Blake Bortles 3-24 (.111)
Ryan Fitzpatrick 6-49 (.109)
Josh McCown 3-29 (.093)

TIER IV

Spoiler!

(Current starters not listed due to low sample size: Wentz, Goff, Siemian, Winston, Prescott, Mariota, Taylor, Trubisky, Hoyer, Browns flavor of the week)

This list not only proves the validity of the stat via NFL history, but compares Smith to most of his relevant peers still playing the NFL. In both cases he comes up vastly, VASTLY short.

Close closed.

Tip your game manager on the way out.

And in case you were wondering...

Spoiler!

Alex Smith in KC: 7-13 (.350), with five of the wins coming in his last 15 games as a Chief.

WHICH MAKES HIM ****ING ELITE.

DIDN'T SEE THAT TWIST COMING DID YOU, MOTHER****ERS?

FIN

PS

Spoiler!

I'm still counting on regression towards the mean so **** you, Alex. **** YOU!

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

I wonder what this would look like with just playoff games instead of regular season.

Mahomes is 3-2 in the playoffs when the opponent scores 24 or more. The only losses to the Pats and Bucs.

3-0 when the opponent scores 23 or less.

Overall, 6-2 and only lost because of Dee Ford and no starting offensive linemen + nobody could catch + refs. Could very easily be 8-0 in playoffs.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by lcarus

Mahomes is 3-2 in the playoffs when the opponent scores 24 or more. The only losses to the Pats and Bucs.

3-0 when the opponent scores 23 or less.

Overall, 6-2 and only lost because of Dee Ford and no starting offensive linemen + nobody could catch + refs. Could very easily be 8-0 in playoffs.

That’s sweet! Not asking you to do the work, but I wonder how he stacks up sl with the list in the OP as far as playoff games goes.

[GT_34]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

That’s sweet! Not asking you to do the work, but I wonder how he stacks up sl with the list in the OP as far as playoff games goes.

Came across that recently. Can't guarantee its validity, and it's with 25 points, not 24, so it doesn't include the wins vs Buffalo and Tennessee. But there you go.

Brady: 9-7 (0.563)
Mahomes: 1-2 (0.333)
Brees: 3-7 (0.300)
Manning: 2-5 (0.286)
Montana: 1-4 (0.200)
Rodgers: 2-8 (0.200)
Elway: 1-5 (0.167)
Marino: 1-8 (0.111)
Favre: 1-9 (0.100)
Wilson: 0-6 (0.000)
Roethlisberger: 0-8 (0.000)

I don't know how many 24 games Brady won/lost, but I'd imagine it would be him, Pat and the rest in that category.

Edit: In the same realm:

Worst Super Bowl winning defenses (ppg):

1. 2019 Kansas City Chiefs - 25.0
2. 1981 San Francisco 49ers - 24.0
3. 1994 San Francisco 49ers - 23.0
4. 2012 Baltimore Ravens - 22.0
5. 2014 New England Patriots - 20.7
5. 2018 New England Patriots - 20.7
7. 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers - 20.3
7. 2016 New England Patriots - 20.3
9. 1999 St. Louis Rams - 19.7
9. 2009 New Orleans Saints - 19.7