Does this Chiefs team have a good chance to win the SuperBowl?

[BossChief]

Losing Gronk is gonna hurt NEs chances.

KC already beat Denver and Oakland in their houses.

KC is getting Maclin, Nelson and Ford back...and might get Jamaal Charles back for the playoffs.

If KC takes care of business in the division and splits with ATL/Tenn, they have a real chance to get HFA. That happens, this team can beat anyone in the AFC at Arrowhead.

If they make it to the Super Bowl, they have a good chance to take down Dallas, Atlanta or Seattle.

Do you guys think this season has a good chance to end with the Lombardi trophy coming to KC?

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

It's okay, you're obviously incapable of understanding how the officiating directly influences the outcome of many games.

Doesn't matter how fast someone is when the refs can literally call (or not call) holding on any play and erase the play as if it never happened - do over!

Or when the Dinks oline would rape Hali and Houston back in the 5head days, and they'd never get called.

Don't play the "how do the owners control the ball in the air" bullshit. Buddha wept.

You start with an assumption that the NFL is rigged (based on your own desire for it to be true) then look for "evidence" to support that belief while ignoring any that doesn't, instead of having an open mind and looking at all the possibilities and actual evidence before using that to decide what is most likely based on all the evidence.

I prefer to look at it more the way investigators or scientists look at everything first then come to a conclusion after based on what evidence they have.

I can think of several possibilities for the refs making bad calls.

1. They are just bad at their jobs. The jobs are tough, with a lot of things to see and they sometimes make the wrong call. Human nature, we are all wrong sometimes.

2. They have personal biases for certain players or teams, but the calls are not directed by the NFL.

3. The NFL tells them to do it to fix games.

I believe #1 is by far the most likely, the most logical, and doesn't require anyone to keep secrets that could get out. #2 is second most likely. #3 is least likely, not likely at all really.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by splatbass

You start with an assumption that the NFL is rigged (based on your own desire for it to be true) then look for "evidence" to support that belief while ignoring any that doesn't, instead of having an open mind and looking at all the possibilities and actual evidence before using that to decide what is most likely based on all the evidence.

I prefer to look at it more the way investigators or scientists look at everything first then come to a conclusion after based on what evidence they have.

I can think of several possibilities for the refs making bad calls.

1. They are just bad at their jobs. The jobs are tough, with a lot of things to see and they sometimes make the wrong call. Human nature, we are all wrong sometimes.

2. They have personal biases for certain players or teams, but the calls are not directed by the NFL.

3. The NFL tells them to do it to fix games.

I believe #1 is by far the most likely, the most logical, and doesn't require anyone to keep secrets that could get out. #2 is second most likely. #3 is least likely, not likely at all really.

According to Bubba smith, Dick Butkus, Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis, and my own eyes, it's rigged.

All carry more weight to me than your opinion.

I don't care what you think about that.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

1. Yes, I do.

2. The evidence is in the officiating and in players' testimonies. And court documents. Just because you choose to ignore or outright dismiss the evidence, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It means that you choose to ignore it. Which, by definition, makes you an ignorant person.

Have a nice day!

1. No you don't. You could go back and search 15 years to back when I used to discuss politics on here, but that won't help you because my views have changed since then. I'll tell you what I believe, and it will be different from what you think I believe. I'll start with what I don't believe. I don't believe in choosing a side like a team, then sticking with that team on every issue. I don't believe in partisanship. I don't believe in having my views fit with an ideology. What I do believe? I'm a centrist that believes that partisanship is destroying this country. I belief we need politicians that put their country ahead of their party. I have some beliefs that would be considered liberal, some that would be considered conservative and some in the middle. But most of all I believe we need to elect people that will COMPROMISE and not take extreme sides and refuse to budge. Our US Constitution was the result of compromise.

2. The 'evidence' is extremely weak. A lot of opinions from brain dead morons like Dick Butkus, who was dumber than a box of rocks before he got hit in the head 1000 times. You have suppositions based on you own viewpoint. You have coincidences. But you don't have a single thing that could be used as evidence in a court of law.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

According to Bubba smith, Dick Butkus, Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis, and my own eyes, it's rigged.

All carry more weight to me than your opinion.

I don't care what you think about that.

What you have is the OPINION of 4 people plus yourself. A couple of criminals, a man with the IQ of a snail, and someone that believes "his own eyes". You must believe every trick magicians pull because you see it with your own eyes so it must be true.

I don't have an opinion, I just have the claims made and no real evidence they are true except for a handful of people while ignoring the thousands of other players.

None of your so called evidence would stand muster in court.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by -King-

So football is rigged because refs can make judgement calls? That's your proof?

And so let's say that the owners do indeed control everything and they rig games to have certain winners etc. Why the **** are the biggest market teams so shitty then? Why has New England been so dominant the past two decades? Why has Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia not won shit in 30+ years? If the owners are rigging football to make more money, they're doing an amazingly bad job at it.
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Ratings (and profits) are at an all time high. 32 owners split $15b in tax money equally.

The numbers say that they're doing a great job at it.

Some owners honestly don't give a shit about winning. At all. That's hard for Regular Fan with his room temperature IQ and highly competitive nature...but I guarantee most owners care about getting 1/32 of $15b annually first and foremost. Some care about being respectable enough to respect the legacy. The Hunt Family is like that. Some, like Jeffery Lurie and Dan Snyder, are new guys on the block. They won't win shit. Some are gangsters - when the DeBartolos were winning Super bowls, Carmen Policy looked like Carmen Corleone from the ****ing Godfather. And then got kicked out of the league for being a gangster. Some, namely Jerry Jones, have pissed off the NFL - this is the first time Dallas has been relevant since the Triplets. Paul Allen is Paul Allen.

But mostly, it's still the old blood and the OG Teams who are the creme de La creme. Teams owned by families like the Rooneys and the Maras, who have had ties to illegal gambling long before they ever owned football teams...the NFL has a VERY interesting history. Read up sometime. Do your homework. Bob Kraft has had ties to the NFL and CBS for a long, long time - there's a reason his small market team has been great since he bought them in 93 - they went to the Super Bowl in 96, long before Brady and when BB was the DCo, with a trip to the Jets and a Pete Carroll stint as Pats HC in between. Remember when Belichick bailed on the Jets to take the Pats job, how the NFL facilitated that?

Speaking of the Jets...isn't it ****ing amazing how the first 2 AFL/AFC teams to win Super Bowls have never been BACK? In fact...the only time when either team got close is when aging legends were padding stats and riding off into the sunset (Montana/Parcells)...

Some people think about these things. It's okay if you don't.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by splatbass

What you have is the OPINION of 4 people plus yourself. A couple of criminals, a man with the IQ of a snail, and someone that believes "his own eyes". You must believe every trick magicians pull because you see it with your own eyes so it must be true.

I don't have an opinion, I just have the claims made and no real evidence they are true except for a handful of people while ignoring the thousands of other players.

None of your so called evidence would stand muster in court.

Speaking of court, the Supreme Court ruled that the NFL can legally fix games for purposes of entertainment and television logistics.

That's indisputable.

[jjchieffan]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Your tinfoil hat is way too tight. This is absurd and insane. I'm surprised you are capable of using a computer.

And who the hell would want a SB win tainted by cheating (other than Patriots fans)?

Apparently it didn't bother the Donks.

I'm not saying that the NFL has the fix in every game. But I do believe that when they want to, they can and do force through their agenda. And last season's Superfarce was one of those times. Michael Jordan's Championship as he retired was a golden moment for the NBA. The NFL wanted that for Fivehead and they made it happen. There is no way that Donks team was the best team in the NFL, much less in the NFL. I will never believe that they won the AFC or the Superface without help. I tried to deny the evidence up until then. But that was the tipping point for me. I will never again blindly follow the NFL narrative like a sheep to slaughter. I finally see it.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Apparent;y ot didn't bother the Donks.

I/m not saying that the NFL has the fix in every game. But I do believe that when they want to, they can and do force through their agenda. And last season's Superfarce was one of those times. Michael Jordan's Championship as he retired was a golden moment for the NBA. The NFL wanted that for Fivehead and they made it happen. There is no way that Donks team was the best team in the NFL, much less in the NFL. I will never believe that they won the AFC or the Superface without help. I tried to deny the evidence up until then. But that was the tipping point for me. I will never again blindly follow the NFL narrative like a sheep to slaughter. I finally see it.

And once you see it, you start to see it all.

And you can never unsee it.

[jjchieffan]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

And once you see it, you start to see it all.

And you can never unsee it.

You're right. And i absolutely hate that. I really want to believe that every game and every Superbowl is real. I still refuse to believe that it happens all the time. I think, for the most part, that games are on the up and up. But there are plenty of hames that the NFL has an agenda and make things happen the way they want.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

According to Bubba smith, Dick Butkus, Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis, and my own eyes, it's rigged.

All carry more weight to me than your opinion.

I don't care what you think about that.

Can you please post their quotes about it? Thanks.
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[-King-]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Apparent;y ot didn't bother the Donks.

I/m not saying that the NFL has the fix in every game. But I do believe that when they want to, they can and do force through their agenda. And last season's Superfarce was one of those times. Michael Jordan's Championship as he retired was a golden moment for the NBA. The NFL wanted that for Fivehead and they made it happen. There is no way that Donks team was the best team in the NFL, much less in the NFL. I will never believe that they won the AFC or the Superface without help. I tried to deny the evidence up until then. But that was the tipping point for me. I will never again blindly follow the NFL narrative like a sheep to slaughter. I finally see it.

The broncos had a historic defense. What game in the playoffs was rigged so they could win?
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[crayzkirk]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

You're right. And i absolutely hate that. I really want to believe that every game and every Superbowl is real. I still refuse to believe that it happens all the time. I think, for the most part, that games are on the up and up. But there are plenty of games that the NFL has an agenda and make things happen the way they want.

Scheduling makes a lot of difference as well. If you compare the teams just in the AFC West this year, look at the home/away schedules of the Broncos/Chiefs? Why did the Chiefs draw the harder teams on the road? Or am I looking for excuses? How about looking at the 2017 road schedule?

Anyway, I'm not ready to believe in a full blown conspiracy against the Chiefs. What I do remember well in the Elway era was many times on a broken play, seeing a zebra with his hand on his pocket ready to throw a flag and then take it away when a miracle comeback was made by Elway.

Yeah, I also think there are plenty of owners who are happy to get their piece of the pie and don't really care if they win.

By the way, when do the Patriots get to give up a road game in London?

The Chiefs have up to a 100% chance of winning the SuperBowl!

Enjoy the ride. No one really wins an argument.

The Broncos winning last year was really a perfect storm of timing and luck. The Broncos won many games which they certainly could have lost and ended up with home field advantage. The Steelers were injured as well. The Patriots offensive line was really weak and set up well for them. Unfortunately (or not), this year sets up totally different. For the Chiefs to win, they will need to beat the best teams in the AFC. Again, the Patriots have had a cakewalk to the playoffs.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

According to Bubba smith, Dick Butkus, Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis, and my own eyes, it's rigged.

All carry more weight to me than your opinion.

I don't care what you think about that.

I( already addressed that. It is meaningless. In the thousands of players over the years you have 4. Butkus is borderline stupid, Ray Lewis is a murderer, and the other two just guys with an opinion. If you get any group of thousands of people you will find 4 people with whatever crazy view you are looking for. It proves absolutely nothing. And your "eyes" are biased going in - you see what you want to see. In short you have NOTHING here that is proof of anything except that you are gullible as hell.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Speaking of court, the Supreme Court ruled that the NFL can legally fix games for purposes of entertainment and television logistics.

That's indisputable.

It also doesn't prove they are doing it, just that they "can".

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Apparent;y ot didn't bother the Donks.

I/m not saying that the NFL has the fix in every game. But I do believe that when they want to, they can and do force through their agenda. And last season's Superfarce was one of those times. Michael Jordan's Championship as he retired was a golden moment for the NBA. The NFL wanted that for Fivehead and they made it happen. There is no way that Donks team was the best team in the NFL, much less in the NFL. I will never believe that they won the AFC or the Superface without help. I tried to deny the evidence up until then. But that was the tipping point for me. I will never again blindly follow the NFL narrative like a sheep to slaughter. I finally see it.

Denver had a great defense, you can't ignore that.