Talking Draft Prospects 2016 - Page 3

Direckshun · 12:55 PM

The Chiefs have some incredibly important free agent decisions to make in the upcoming offseason. A large part of that decision-making process is who they target in the draft and who could ostensibly replace an outgoing high-performer. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks plus an extra 5th.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed early rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the high ones. That being said, this will be limited by my attention span and schedule, so while I hope to have 200 prospects fully reviewed/previewed by Draft Day, I'll only get part of the way there.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until late April.

Spoiler!

Direckshun · 01-21-2016, 11:31 AM

DT A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama -- An absolute Adonis of a defensive tackle, Robinson is a 6'4", 312 lbs lineman that looks about thirty pounds lighter than that. Looking at his size, you'd think you'd have Marcel Dareus 2.0, a big fat plug to stuff in the phone booth. But that is absolutely not the case -- Robinson is so physically put together that I almost think he'd be wasted along the interior; a 3-4 team should seriously consider him as an end. That weight distribution is on Dontari Poe's level; Robinson will likely run around a 4.8 at the Combine, and runs effortlessly on the field. Yet with that amazing athleticism, passrushing is his gigantic weak spot. His strength is mauling offensive linemen in the run game, plowing blockers and owning the line of scrimmage. Any 3-4 struggling against the run needs to make him a serious draft target. However, he does suffer from Tyson Jackson Syndrome, and unless he receives absolutely elite coaching, I sincerely don't think he's ever going to be a serious threat to get to the QB. His passrushing moves are too limited and he doesn't show the same enthusiasm as he does against the run. He has the athleticism, however, and coaches all say he's incredibly smart, so who knows. But if you don't think he can develop that part of his game, and I've got serious doubts, than that means he's a two-down player only, and that could seriously harm his draft projection.

kccrow · 01-21-2016, 12:15 PM

Would appreciate your thoughts on Adolphus Washington, especially as a 2nd round option for KC at DE. I'm leaning towards altering my most recent mock to include him, but I want an outside, unbiased opinion.

Direckshun · 01-21-2016, 12:21 PM

I actually watched him yesterday. I've got him in my Rolodex.

I, too, really like him.

Direckshun · 01-21-2016, 12:54 PM

WR Josh Doctson, TCU -- Doctson is bringing a lot of tools to the NFL, but he's one of those guys that will have to work his ass off to make the most of what he has if he wants to live up to his potential. Doctson boasts very good size (6'3", 200 lbs), great hands, and is perhaps the nation's best WR at winning contested balls. Doctson's long arms and excellent body control make him a ripe red zone target, and TCU fed him 15 touchdowns among his 75 receptions for 1,300 yards in 2015. He is a true weapon in that regard. But he's going to have a rough going for at least a little while in the NFL between the 20's. He has extensive experience route-running but still has some wasted motion and will need to make sharper cuts to create separation at the next level. His speed isn't great (I'm predicting a 4.5 40) so smoothing out his route-running will be paramount to his success -- many of his receptions were after Boykin scrambled long enough for him to get open. There have been comparisons to Jordan Matthews but Matthews is a fantastic route-runner. Doctson's specialty of winning jump balls may hit a snag in the NFL, as well, due to his lanky frame. He's going to need to put on serious muscle (which he has the frame to do!) because he average DB in the NFL weighs as much as he does, and most are several inches shorter than him. But he is a competitor who has years of experience in a pro-style offense. If Doctson can consistently find a way to win in the first couple seconds of his route rather than just rely on his physical gifts to win the day, he's going to be as good as any receiver in this Draft. But it's going to be a journey to get there, and probably won't yield fruit right away.

DJ's left nut · 01-21-2016, 01:21 PM

Doctson sounds like a slightly slower Conley by your right-up.

If Docston costs a 1st (he likely will), I'm not interested. I think we already have that guy.

Direckshun · 01-21-2016, 04:36 PM

That's not the worst comparison in the world, really.

Doctson simply doesn't make sense on a football team with Alex Smith. He's a jump ball, contested catch type guy whereas Smith rarely attempts those.

Dorsey also prefers tons of speed, as Conley, Thomas, and Wilson are all 4.3 guys.

CleveSteve · 01-21-2016, 04:52 PM

If Josh Doctson was an inch taller he'd be AJ Green.

kccrow · 01-21-2016, 05:57 PM

If the Chiefs touch a receiver in round 1 it will be Fuller. He's a DeSean Jackson type of player with a bit more height (will probably measure in at 5'11-1/2"). Other than him, I don't see KC taking one until at least the 3rd when some mouldable speed guys come on the radar.

saphojunkie · 01-26-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I tried to put together a gif video of some plays I felt show some great pro traits that Elliott has (speed, power, vision, balance, agility, etc)...

Holy hell that was the Bama defense he was running over and by. That's amazing.

nbarone007 · 01-26-2016, 04:26 PM

No mention of Noah Spence? I'll be the one to drop his name. His draft stock is all over the place but I definitely will have this guy graded as a top 10 player. I think he's going to end up as the best pass rusher in the draft.

I would love for the Chiefs to draft Spence with our first round pick. After seeing what Denver did to the Patriots, we need to find another pass rusher. We cannot rely on Houston and Hali like we constantly do. Dee Ford has not lived up to the hype yet. I think going into next season with Houston/Hali/Spence/Ford/Zombo would be phenomenal for depth at the position.

nbarone007 · 01-26-2016, 04:32 PM

Only WR's i'd be interested in are Will Fuller (Looks like D-Jax 2.0) or Leonte Caroo (Super talented, super stupid). I've gotten to watch the latter play on the field since I'm currently attending Rutgers. I would give him a shot in the mid rounds.

Im pretty high on William Jackson III, CB from Houston.

As for QB rankings, my top 3 would look like:
1. Paxton Lynch (I was VERY impressed by his tape. Reminds me of Bortles)
2. Jared Goff (Think this guy will be a good NFL QB. Matt Ryan-esque)
3. Vernon Adams Jr (I really like this guys tape. Terrific arm and is very mobile. Think he may be getting overlooked because of his height)
4. Christian Hackenberg (Victim of pretty horrendous OL play at Penn State)
5. Connor Cook (He's probably victim of too much tape scouted on him. May end up being a good QB but I was not impressed watching him play Rutgers live this year)
6. Carson Wentz (This guy is MEH. Not sure why he is rising so rapidly. I wasn't very impressed by his tape)

01-18-2016, 12:21 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	Talking Draft Prospects 2016 The Chiefs have some incredibly important free agent decisions to make in the upcoming offseason. A large part of that decision-making process is who they target in the draft and who could ostensibly replace an outgoing high-performer. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks plus an extra 5th. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed early rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the high ones. That being said, this will be limited by my attention span and schedule, so while I hope to have 200 prospects fully reviewed/previewed by Draft Day, I'll only get part of the way there. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until late April. Spoiler! QB Jared Goff, California RB Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State FB WR Corey Coleman, Baylor Josh Doctson, TCU TE O.J. Howard, Alabama OT Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Laremy Tunsil, Mississippi OG Vadal Alexander, LSU C NT DE/DT A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama Edgerushers Joey Bosa, Ohio State (4-3) Emmanuel Ogbah, Oklahoma State (4-3) 4-3 MLB/ 3-4 SILB 4-3 OLB/3-4 WILB Myles Jack, UCLA Leonard Floyd, Georgia Darron Lee, Ohio State CB Vernon Hargreaves III, Florida S Last edited by Direckshun; 01-21-2016 at 12:55 PM..
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01-21-2016, 11:31 AM	#31
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	DT A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama -- An absolute Adonis of a defensive tackle, Robinson is a 6'4", 312 lbs lineman that looks about thirty pounds lighter than that. Looking at his size, you'd think you'd have Marcel Dareus 2.0, a big fat plug to stuff in the phone booth. But that is absolutely not the case -- Robinson is so physically put together that I almost think he'd be wasted along the interior; a 3-4 team should seriously consider him as an end. That weight distribution is on Dontari Poe's level; Robinson will likely run around a 4.8 at the Combine, and runs effortlessly on the field. Yet with that amazing athleticism, passrushing is his gigantic weak spot. His strength is mauling offensive linemen in the run game, plowing blockers and owning the line of scrimmage. Any 3-4 struggling against the run needs to make him a serious draft target. However, he does suffer from Tyson Jackson Syndrome, and unless he receives absolutely elite coaching, I sincerely don't think he's ever going to be a serious threat to get to the QB. His passrushing moves are too limited and he doesn't show the same enthusiasm as he does against the run. He has the athleticism, however, and coaches all say he's incredibly smart, so who knows. But if you don't think he can develop that part of his game, and I've got serious doubts, than that means he's a two-down player only, and that could seriously harm his draft projection.
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01-21-2016, 12:15 PM	#32
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3217078	Would appreciate your thoughts on Adolphus Washington, especially as a 2nd round option for KC at DE. I'm leaning towards altering my most recent mock to include him, but I want an outside, unbiased opinion.
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01-21-2016, 12:21 PM	#33
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	I actually watched him yesterday. I've got him in my Rolodex. I, too, really like him.
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01-21-2016, 12:54 PM	#34
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	WR Josh Doctson, TCU -- Doctson is bringing a lot of tools to the NFL, but he's one of those guys that will have to work his ass off to make the most of what he has if he wants to live up to his potential. Doctson boasts very good size (6'3", 200 lbs), great hands, and is perhaps the nation's best WR at winning contested balls. Doctson's long arms and excellent body control make him a ripe red zone target, and TCU fed him 15 touchdowns among his 75 receptions for 1,300 yards in 2015. He is a true weapon in that regard. But he's going to have a rough going for at least a little while in the NFL between the 20's. He has extensive experience route-running but still has some wasted motion and will need to make sharper cuts to create separation at the next level. His speed isn't great (I'm predicting a 4.5 40) so smoothing out his route-running will be paramount to his success -- many of his receptions were after Boykin scrambled long enough for him to get open. There have been comparisons to Jordan Matthews but Matthews is a fantastic route-runner. Doctson's specialty of winning jump balls may hit a snag in the NFL, as well, due to his lanky frame. He's going to need to put on serious muscle (which he has the frame to do!) because he average DB in the NFL weighs as much as he does, and most are several inches shorter than him. But he is a competitor who has years of experience in a pro-style offense. If Doctson can consistently find a way to win in the first couple seconds of his route rather than just rely on his physical gifts to win the day, he's going to be as good as any receiver in this Draft. But it's going to be a journey to get there, and probably won't yield fruit right away.
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01-21-2016, 01:21 PM	#35
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2979099	Doctson sounds like a slightly slower Conley by your right-up. If Docston costs a 1st (he likely will), I'm not interested. I think we already have that guy. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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01-21-2016, 04:36 PM	#36
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	That's not the worst comparison in the world, really. Doctson simply doesn't make sense on a football team with Alex Smith. He's a jump ball, contested catch type guy whereas Smith rarely attempts those. Dorsey also prefers tons of speed, as Conley, Thomas, and Wilson are all 4.3 guys.
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01-21-2016, 04:52 PM	#37
CleveSteve Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Pflugerville, TX Casino cash: $10010636	If Josh Doctson was an inch taller he'd be AJ Green.
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01-21-2016, 05:57 PM	#38
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3217078	If the Chiefs touch a receiver in round 1 it will be Fuller. He's a DeSean Jackson type of player with a bit more height (will probably measure in at 5'11-1/2"). Other than him, I don't see KC taking one until at least the 3rd when some mouldable speed guys come on the radar.
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01-26-2016, 04:26 PM	#40
nbarone007 Starter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: New Jersey Casino cash: $10010300	No mention of Noah Spence? I'll be the one to drop his name. His draft stock is all over the place but I definitely will have this guy graded as a top 10 player. I think he's going to end up as the best pass rusher in the draft. I would love for the Chiefs to draft Spence with our first round pick. After seeing what Denver did to the Patriots, we need to find another pass rusher. We cannot rely on Houston and Hali like we constantly do. Dee Ford has not lived up to the hype yet. I think going into next season with Houston/Hali/Spence/Ford/Zombo would be phenomenal for depth at the position.
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01-26-2016, 04:32 PM	#41
nbarone007 Starter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: New Jersey Casino cash: $10010300	Only WR's i'd be interested in are Will Fuller (Looks like D-Jax 2.0) or Leonte Caroo (Super talented, super stupid). I've gotten to watch the latter play on the field since I'm currently attending Rutgers. I would give him a shot in the mid rounds. Im pretty high on William Jackson III, CB from Houston. As for QB rankings, my top 3 would look like: 1. Paxton Lynch (I was VERY impressed by his tape. Reminds me of Bortles) 2. Jared Goff (Think this guy will be a good NFL QB. Matt Ryan-esque) 3. Vernon Adams Jr (I really like this guys tape. Terrific arm and is very mobile. Think he may be getting overlooked because of his height) 4. Christian Hackenberg (Victim of pretty horrendous OL play at Penn State) 5. Connor Cook (He's probably victim of too much tape scouted on him. May end up being a good QB but I was not impressed watching him play Rutgers live this year) 6. Carson Wentz (This guy is MEH. Not sure why he is rising so rapidly. I wasn't very impressed by his tape)
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