The Franchise Tag: Ability to "steal" players?
I still follow Nick Wright, former 610 Sports talking head who has now moved to the Houston market.
He just posted the following series of tweets, advocating that the Texans (or any team, really) "steal" Dez Bryant from the Cowboys, should he get the franchise tag. He indicates the cost is 2-First Round picks:
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My questions to you all: - Is this a thing that has been done? - What's the policy? - Are we in danger of losing Houston should he receive the tag? - Would you pull the trigger on Dez, or another player, for 2-firsts? |
You have to pay the guy AND surrender the 2 1st rounders, which is why it never happens.
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Just use the exclusive rights franchise tag.
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Thing I wonder is the wiki article says the Cowboys, in this situation are "entitled" to two 1sts. Not guaranteed, but entitled.
.. Doesn't that allow a team like Dallas flexibility in preventing a guy like Dez from going to a rival by tagging him but allowing a team like Houston to acquire him for less than two firsts? Hypothetically, of course. |
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If we've learned anything, it's that overpaying for a WR when you don't have a QB is not a good idea.
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Wright is right. Bryant is absolutely worth giving up 2 First rounders for a team drafting in the back half. He's only 26.
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Wouldn't trade first rounders for any position that isn't a qb ever
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Watch New England snatch him...
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For a team like Houston? No.
For a team like New England....sure....but they'll never do it. |
Seems like the chiefs got chester mcglockton by making him an ofer and oakland declined to match it. I don't remember what they had to give.
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Okay, lets say a team DID pull the trigger - they pay 2 firsts, and then pay the guy....
...for the one, franchise-year deal? And then he's a FA again? |
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It makes me sick even typing this, but if I'm Indy I do it in a heartbeat.
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Obviously you meant Brady, and I suppose the character issues don't fit with the Patriot Way. Which is good because I'd probably swear off football if it happened. |
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Exclusive rights tag. They will use it.
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Christ, we had one of the worst passing offenses in the league and have the 10th highest paid QB and 4th highest paid WR. They don't have a single player making more than $9M a season, and their four highest paid players are locked up until 2017, 2018 and 2019. |
And they have nearly $40M in cap space and Cory Redding is their only quality FA this season. They have a lot of guys locked up for the long term.
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It would make sense for them though, but they just traded a first rounder for Richardson. They need talent influx one way or another |
Again why would they risk not using the exclusive tag. Jurruh isn't going to risk his stud getting away.
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Luck Allen Fleener Hilton Werner Thornton Moncrief He's picked up some talent in three years. Much more in his first two years than Dorsey in his first two years. |
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And I had forgotten he died about four years ago. |
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The Raiders got a comp pick out of the deal and that player Leon Bender ended up dying. |
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He's hit on some good picks sure. I also belive 4 or your players listed are what they are because of the first one listed, but that's just me. |
Poison clauses i think are forbidden now. But i think you can negotiate for less. Like a 1st and 2nd.
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Jones will never let him leave Dallas... and that's the bottom line on this..
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Indy is a 4 win team without Luck. They need lots of help. They should be figuring out how to get more draft picks.
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If I remember correctly the franchising team also gets the opportunity to match the agreed to contract so the team trying to sign the player has to structure the contract in a way that the franchising team can't match. So basically front load the contract so much that it would put the other team over the cap.
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It's just like the Manning years. Indy will keep on trucking regardless of who's around Luck. That shit show is a one-man team and always will be. Did I mention **** the Colts? |
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Yes, there have been various poison pills used over the years. The NFL then reacts by prohibiting them. Curtis Martin to the Jets, that guard that the Vikings stole from SEattle (was it Hutchinson?), and a couple others over the years. Heck, Patriots used one to help get Welker. Miami was going to protest, and then the Pats and Dolphins negotiated to sweeten the pot and Miami went away "happy". They didn't really realize what they had though because they only used a transition tag on him. |
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Yes. And that is NOT a poison pill. That's just making it awkward for the other team to match due to salary cap implications that aren't inherently unfair (unlike Martin to Jets, and that Seattle guard to the Vikings). |
Right, it was Hutchinson. Seattle also had Walter Jones at the time, so the poison pill was ridiculously targetted at Seattle not matching.
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Joey Galloway, DOH
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I wouldn't trade 1 first for Dez Bryant.
There are 2 situations that aren't being reported where Dez is involved that if either gets out, he will immediately be out of the league. |
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The police have been to his house 6 times in the last year.
He is lucky that Jerry has thrown a shitton of resources toward shutting it down and there's a reason JJ is reluctant to sign him to a big deal with big guarantees. |
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Both occurances are 20x worse than Ray Rice/Adrian Peterson. |
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Turn on Colin Cowherd if you don't believe me
He's talking about it |
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So I'm supposed to believe that after all of the shit that's gone down lately in the NFL......that Jerry Jones is covering up shit for Dez Bryant that would result in him getting booted from the NFL? Because if so......then that means Jerry Jones is risking his career....for a player.
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didn't the cowboys 'steal' joey galloway from the seahawks in the late 90's or early 00's? didn't end well for them if memory serves. the production wasn't worth it at all. |
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the cowboys have done some serious partying over the years... I believe they called it the white house. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/infamou...0797--nfl.html |
Im unable to listen to the radio/tv.
Did Colin enlighten us as to the details of Dez Bryant's 2(!) incidents that, if reported, would result in his banishment from the league? Can anyone share said details? |
Everybody on the show corroborated what Colin said and they were present when the league official told them that if there is concrete evidence, he won't ever play football again. No way Jerry let's that happen, though.
Why do you think he has security es court Dez everywhere and is unwilling to give him a big deal? He sure hasn't had a problem paying players over the years... |
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I find it hard to believe some of the internet websites wouldn't have run on the story under "there are rumors ...." He's had a security team for years, nothing new. |
I understand some of you being skeptical.
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I don't care what anyone on here wants to believe. I really don't. I heard the info a couple months ago...posted it here and today Colin Cowherd was running with it. If I knew more details, I'd post em. All I do know is that there have been 2 situations he was involved with that would cost him his football career if they got out. |
A boat's a boat, but a mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat.
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Welp, Bosschief was right. He should have provided more details, but he was right:
There's a Rumor of a Dez Bryant Video |
I don't step on toes when I'm told something. I just pass on what I'm told is ok to pass on.
A lot of the time I don't even know most of the story anyway cause it's still developing. |
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No man, it's just that every time I share something on here that isn't even close to being reported, you jump right in with your "sure.." crap and make it seem like I'm making it up.
Every single time. I couldn't care less about what people on here say. I just like passing on things I've heard over the years and it's always you and a couple other haters that chime in with your crap. FFS you think you'd learn over the years, but oh well. It's people like you of why behind the scenes information NEVER gets posted on here anymore when it used to happen quite commonly |
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Oh hey guys....remember when I said that? Yeah guys....remember when I said that first? |
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