I guess at this point, it all comes down to Branden Albert.
Just some Chiefs-related rambling this morning. Take it or leave it.
If the team can't sign Branden Albert, or if they trade him, I have worlds of trouble figuring out how they draft anybody but Joeckel/Fisher at 1.1, even if they find a way to trade down, which I now suspect they will. I'm obviously just one of you guys, but I do follow this shit pretty much every day. I'd say if they ink Albert longterm, that's the only way you avoid going tackle. Put it like this. Chances of going Joeckel/Fisher:
Here's the problem with that option, and why I think options A or C are the only viable solutions: if the team is incapable of landing a 2nd rounder for Albert in the 2013 draft, than the best they can hope for outside of doing this whole ordeal again in 2014 is a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2015. That's the deal: a 2nd rounder in 2013, or a 3rd rounder in 2015. That's why the Chiefs are trying to get rid of Albert now. The fact Albert isn't showing up for practice, the only player to do so, is pretty damning as well. That shows option C to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out in the lead. Option A is far behind, and I don't even think option B has left the gates -- I simply don't regard it as a possibility. The silver lining of all that, however, is the cap space. Losing Albert, much as I would hate it, means that we can replace him with Joeckel/Fisher and still have $10million in cap space to play with either this year or roll it over to 2014 for god knows who. And the player replacing Albert, at least, will be younger and cheaper for at least five years. So there's that. What are the odds that Albert comes down on his contract demands if the Chiefs can't find adequate trade compensation? Perhaps Albert can take that as a sign, and just take a more manageable deal instead of initiating a year-plus contract battle with the Chiefs, playing under a one-year deal. As for the non-tackle options with our 1st round pick, which I simply don't regard as a large possibility at this point: if the Chiefs stay at #1 overall, I don't think you can take either passrusher and feel good about yourself. I think both passrushers make a ton of sense at #4 (Eagles) or #5 (Browns), but again this assumes that the Chiefs have settled in with Albert for the long haul and aren't interested in Joeckel/Fisher. So I think the 1.1 becomes Geno Smith if, and only if, the Chiefs ink Albert long-term, or at least believe they will be able to do so. Any other variation: an Albert trade, or a trade down, means that Geno will not be the pick. The Albert omens aren't good at this point. And based on some interesting observations from BossChief, I think the flurry of recent QB activity in the wake of KC hosting Geno this week means that it's come out that the Chiefs have secured a trade down partner as well. Which means I think the Chiefs are going to be trading down to #4 or #5. If that happens, if they plan on keeping Albert, I fully expect Dion Jordan or Ezekiel Ansah as heir apparents to/insurance for Tamba Hali in 2014, as I expect there will be a Dumervil-esque restructuring ordeal. If Albert's gone, well hey, they may still get Joeckel at that spot, or they'll settle for Fisher. My guess: the Chiefs will find a trade partner for Albert, and get a 2nd rounder back in this year's draft for him, while landing another 2nd rounder in trading down from 1.1 to 1.4 or 1.5 with a team (Eagles or Browns?) who wants Geno. Like I said earlier, the good news is that we'll find a cheap, capable replacement for Albert and still have two seconds to play with. That means two quality players with star potential, or the underrated possibility at this point that the Chiefs package those 2nd rounders and trade back into the 1st, should somebody exciting like OLB Bjoern Werner, OLB Damontre Moore, WR Justin Hunter, WR Cordarrelle Patterson, TE Tyler Eifert, or S Matt Elam falls a bit more than expected... Like I said, just some ramblings this morning. |
Lets assume we draft Jokel/Fisher and trade Albert for a 2nd this year and 3rd next.
What we have effectively done is take Alex Smith with 1.1. Also, because of Smiths cap number, we also have the same amount of cap space had we say, kept Albert on the franchise tag and drafted Geno at 1. gg. |
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First of all, it's unlikely we get that kind of compensation for Albert. A 2nd rounder is probably it. If you're the team trading for him, you've got to pay us AND him. That drives down our asking price to something more humble, like a 2nd this year alone. If that's what happens, then we've essentially traded Albert for Smith. |
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:banghead: Cant leave out the replacement LT we'll get at 1.1 that won't upgrade the position. :Lin: |
Trading an OL for a starting QB is a trade I'll make every day of the week.
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This seems somewhat unlikely. |
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Those in the know are operating on levels we often never know about. |
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So if the Chiefs have a trade partner already for the #1 pick, it's safe to assume they've already agreed on the terms of a trade, right?
What is their incentive to not trading the pick already? |
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Trade Albert for a 2nd. Trade back from 1.1 for another 2nd. Take Fisher or Joeckel and see if they can do anything exciting with those two 2nds. The only caveat I'd throw in that senario is that if you feel Jordan or Ziggy is the going to become an elite pass rusher, I'd be okay with going that route in round 1 and figuring out LT in another way. Say 2nd? I mean is there some law that says you have to draft your LT in the first only? Again that's only if you feel you have an elite pass rusher staring you in the face. Pass rusher I think is almost as big as a need given that you can never have enough, we only have 2, and one will be 30 this next season. |
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Personally, I don't believe their 29th ranked passing attack was cause for the 49ers success. |
Alex was a big part of their success and to say otherwise is just hate!
I think it is quite clear Albert is getting traded. If their was a long term deal in the works, he would know it by now. The new regime has put very little to no effort in re-signing him long term. They moved swiftly with Bowe/Colquitt and all of their other moves have been swift with a plan. This staling by the Chiefs brass is just leverage for trade possibilities in the draft and trying to milk more in a trade with Albert. I know from a personal perspective it sucks for Albert but this is a business move first and foremost... he is just a pawn. |
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You can act like Smith was leading that team all you want. That's not the case. |
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Did he "take" them to the SB or did he ALMOST "take" them to the SB. If the answer is "ALMOST" then you are wrong and should stop talking. |
That is your opinion but not fact. Others will believe that Joeckel will do more than good his rookie year. He is a very polished prospect.
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Still was a quality part. Who was the one limiting turnovers to allow the big weapons to succeed?
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Let's not act like tackles are super safe picks.
Jason Brown, Robert Gallery, Levi Brown, Mike Williams, Kenyatta Walker, and Tony Ugoh all agree with this. |
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Direckshun,
Problem is nobody wants Geno enough to trade with the Chiefs. They're betting that he will be there when they pick. If I were in thier position, I'd be following the same strategy. |
What exactly is it about Albert's style of play that Reid doesn't like?
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I don't think it is totally his play but more so getting someone cheaper, younger and possibly in their opinion will be better than Albert.
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I was under the impression that Reid was a fan. |
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The reason the tackle is safer, is because when an LT busts, you can usually turn him into a serviceable player either at RT or as a G. When a QB busts, he sits on the bench or gets drummed out of the league altogether. Beyond that, it's possible that the Chiefs see Geno as a high bust probability and Joeckle as a low bust probability based on their individual characteristics. |
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In reality... you haven't proven anyone wrong but yourself. |
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Carry on. Moron. |
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We are about to trade away the same guy we traded UP to get and has proven himself and wants to be here. in exchange we will get a failed Alex Smith, and use 1.1 to draft an overrated Joekel. |
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He's one of the best pass blockers in the league. |
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I have said many times on this board I would like Albert to remain a Chief, but I'm not gonna sugar coat him. Reid likes big OT's that hold blocks. |
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Fisher is Andy's guy if that's what he likes. |
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As TBG pointed out earlier, Reid isn't going to coddle Alex. At the very least we should see Alex's feet held to the fire. |
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I would rather see the Chiefs keep Albert and draft Joeckel letting him play RT as a rookie. When Albert leaves next year move Joeckel to the left side and find another RT. By then Stephenson might be ready to take the starting RT role. |
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It wouldn't surprise me if some of this is posturing to get Albert to sign a more team friendly deal. I guess we'll see how much Albert really wants to remain a Chief.
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@MoveTheSticks: 2nd round is going to be outstanding in this draft! Immediate starters at WR, CB, LB, DT and TE... |
This was part of the anger about trading for Alex. We have all been drooling about what we were going to have a chance to get at #34. If we collect picks, I wouldn't be looking to trade back into the first. I don't see many scenarios where the guy at #22 is better than the two guys we would get at #39 and #46 or something like that.
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Cassel was historically bad. Drew Stanton would have been an upgrade. |
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I happen to believe he's not nearly as polished as people think. He's just more of the same in a draft that has no elite prospects at any position. |
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Of course, that doesn't mean SB appearances. It should mean they will be a lot more competitive. |
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