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Game of Thrones Seasons 7-8

About to hit the 5000 post mark on the old thread, the first season 7 trailer today seems like the right time to start the final Game of Thones thread.

I'm going back to the original rules pre-2015. I don't think we need supervision or bannings. Just don't be a dick. Post anything you find online that hasn't aired yet inside of spoiler tags. That's pretty much it. I think we can all handle that...





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Old 05-13-2019, 09:37 AM   #4726
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That I completely agree with.

B&W tried to ramp up the threat of the scorpions to heighten the impact of 'Shock and Awe Drogon' and in so doing they overplayed their hand something awful. I think they were also trying to have a more visceral death play out in front of Dany to give her all the more reason to flip shit.

Just another sacrifice at the alter of making Dany's heel turn more understandable - none of which would've been necessary had we been able to see in her own head.

But like you, I think this is just becoming an unnecessary pile-on born of being unwilling to view episodes for their own merit. We have people doubling back on decisions they hated and citing them as reasons not to do things in the story that, on their face, should be LIKED.
Guilty as charged. In a vacuum, episode 5 was pretty damn awesome. Unfortunately, they completely botched the full heel turn so it was just watching Daenerys burn people for an hour and characters meeting up for fayed duels to the death. Still entertaining, but it could've been better.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:41 AM   #4727
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:41 AM   #4728
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When the second dragon was killed, it was largely due to surprise as it was unknown that Euron's fleet was there behind that rock formation. ( I thought it was dumb Dany didn't know that and questioned the lack of reconnaissance ? If that was her doing reconnaissance, why her?) So Dany was unable to maneuver her dragons well enough. I don't remember if anyone was riding the other dragon that got shot. I don't seem to recall that.

It looked to me that Dany figured out how to maneuver her last dragon around the fleet in the final battle. So when she turned her dragon up and around, it took Euron's men too long to maneuver their large bows into position to get a fair shot at it. That was one thing those huge bows could not do quickly enough.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:45 AM   #4729
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When the second dragon was killed, it was largely due to surprise as it was unknown that Euron's fleet was there behind that rock formation. ( I thought it was dumb Dany didn't know that and questioned the lack of reconnaissance ? If that was her doing reconnaissance, why her?) So Dany was unable to maneuver her dragons well enough. I don't remember if anyone was riding the other dragon that got shot. I don't seem to recall that.

It looked to me that Dany figured out how to maneuver her last dragon around the fleet in the final battle. So when she turned her dragon up and around, it took Euron's men too long to maneuver their large bows into position to get a fair shot at it. That was one thing those huge bows could not do quickly enough.
Yes. We all know that Euron took Daenerys by surprise by hiding behind some giant rocks. The problem comes from that being completely ****ing ridiculous for multiple reasons.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:46 AM   #4730
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Yup it was totally foreshadowed....
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Good grief—that ring in Nathalie's nose.

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Old 05-13-2019, 09:48 AM   #4732
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Yes. We all know that Euron took Daenerys by surprise by hiding behind some giant rocks. The problem comes from that being completely ****ing ridiculous for multiple reasons.
I know you all knew that from earlier posts, but no one had commented, unless I missed it, on how Dany flew her dragon a second time. In fact, what I saw posted was that it seemed impossible that her last dragon wasn't shot at all. I didn't see it that way. In fact I was worried before hand that Dany and her last dragon just might be shot down, with Cersei winning possibly—or at least for another day.
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Would've been much better off if Scorpions were never introduced.

Have Cersei acknowledge that she's well and truly ****ed if Daenerys comes with her dragons, so she plans to hide amongst the innocent.

Have undead Viserion kill Rhaegal so that the Night King killed 2 dragons, establishing him as the greatest threat.

Have Daenerys get butthurt because she lost 2 children fighting a war that wasn't hers to start with and everyone still loves Jon more.

Have Daenerys destroy Kings Landing and kill hundreds of thousands of Innocents trying to take out Cersei, despite everything begging her not to.

Now Varys and friends have a damn good reason for wanting to betray her, and she well and truly snaps when she finds out.
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Guilty as charged. In a vacuum, episode 5 was pretty damn awesome. Unfortunately, they completely botched the full heel turn so it was just watching Daenerys burn people for an hour and characters meeting up for fayed duels to the death. Still entertaining, but it could've been better.
If they sold in the madness really well, the last half of the episode would've been outstanding. The slow burning deserved the attention it got. It wasn't just one choice to make people burn. It was a deliberate maniacal choice. The side to side destruction of the city. Even with an insanely easy opportunity to destroy the red keep. When the books come out and GRRM better lays out the path to madness, I bet we'll really appreciate that the visual TV media chose to go all out on this. It was unsettling and just as powerful to see good characters... including Davos and obviously Tyrion and Jon Snow... go in total shock that this could have happened. In fact, once GRRM ties up loose ends, we may appreciate that the show chose to focus less on the politicking (which they're unequipped to handle) and focused squarely on creating visual entertainment and completing the difficult task at marching us to a clean ending.
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Yes. We all know that Euron took Daenerys by surprise by hiding behind some giant rocks. The problem comes from that being completely ****ing ridiculous for multiple reasons.
Everyone knows that shooting dragons out of the air with giant arrows attached to ships on water are easy as **** to shoot down as well. It was clear that Euron was rebelling against Cersei for not shooting down the 3rd and final dragon which he could've easily done 62 billion times but chose not too
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Would've been much better off if Scorpions were never introduced.

Have Cersei acknowledge that she's well and truly ****ed if Daenerys comes with her dragons, so she plans to hide amongst the innocent.

Have undead Viserion kill Rhaegal so that the Night King killed 2 dragons, establishing him as the greatest threat.

Have Daenerys get butthurt because she lost 2 children fighting a war that wasn't hers to start with and everyone still loves Jon more.

Have Daenerys destroy Kings Landing and kill hundreds of thousands of Innocents trying to take out Cersei, despite everything begging her not to.

Now Varys and friends have a damn good reason for wanting to betray her, and she well and truly snaps when she finds out.
This season is very lazily and poorly written. Makes me wish that they would've waited for George RR to finish the damn books
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Would've been much better off if Scorpions were never introduced.

Have Cersei acknowledge that she's well and truly ****ed if Daenerys comes with her dragons, so she plans to hide amongst the innocent.

Have undead Viserion kill Rhaegal so that the Night King killed 2 dragons, establishing him as the greatest threat.

Have Daenerys get butthurt because she lost 2 children fighting a war that wasn't hers to start with and everyone still loves Jon more.

Have Daenerys destroy Kings Landing and kill hundreds of thousands of Innocents trying to take out Cersei, despite everything begging her not to.

Now Varys and friends have a damn good reason for wanting to betray her, and she well and truly snaps when she finds out.
Also, have Cersei pay Bronn to capture Missandei. No Euron Ex Machina. Instead it's a paid cutthroat doing what he does best.
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Everyone knows that shooting dragons out of the air with giant arrows attached to ships on water are easy as **** to shoot down as well. It was clear that Euron was rebelling against Cersei for not shooting down the 3rd and final dragon which he could've easily done 62 billion times but chose not too
It was? WTF?
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It was? WTF?
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If they sold in the madness really well, the last half of the episode would've been outstanding. The slow burning deserved the attention it got. It wasn't just one choice to make people burn. It was a deliberate maniacal choice. The side to side destruction of the city. Even with an insanely easy opportunity to destroy the red keep. When the books come out and GRRM better lays out the path to madness, I bet we'll really appreciate that the visual TV media chose to go all out on this. It was unsettling and just as powerful to see good characters... including Davos and obviously Tyrion and Jon Snow... go in total shock that this could have happened. In fact, once GRRM ties up loose ends, we may appreciate that the show chose to focus less on the politicking (which they're unequipped to handle) and focused squarely on creating visual entertainment and completing the difficult task at marching us to a clean ending.
A book will always lay out a better path or can because it's a different medium than a visual medium. For one it can show inner thinking of a character. There are limitations with film in more ways than this one.

Even if a few more episodes revealed her madness sooner, the sudden shock and awe of her madness I think is more dramatic they way it was done. You see her sitting on that wall, contemplating what she is about to do, leaving us all thinking if it would likely be directed at Cersei—but it's not. When she goes rogue, her army as seen through Gray Worm throwing his spear at the surrendered troops takes it as a reason to abandon any morality.

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