Mock 2/7

kccrow · 02-07-2018, 08:23 PM

Trades
QB Alex Smith to Washington for 2018 3rd round selection (78) and CB Kendall Fuller per sources.

Retirements (Else Release)
ILB Derrick Johnson
OLB Tamba Hali
If either of these guys don't hang it up, it's time for the Chiefs to finally grow a set of balls and cut them loose. Business is business. There is zero reason to keep players that don't produce well beyond their primes, and they've done that a couple years too many already.

Cuts
CB Darrelle Revis - I don't see the Chiefs picking up an 8.8 million roster bonus, especially after acquiring Kendall Fuller.
OLB Frank Zombo - Zombo has proved time and again that he's nothing but a special teams guy given that he can't get pressure on the QB.
FS Ron Parker (Designate as Post-June 1 cut) - Parker just doesn't make the plays to justify his contract. He fell to only 4 passes defensed on the season despite the Chiefs having problems at CB#2 all year.
TE Demetrius Harris - It's time for the basketball conversion experiment to end; Harris can't catch a cold.

Let Walk
DL Bennie Logan, P Dustin Colquitt, QB Tyler Bray, CB Phillip Gaines, OL Jordan Devey, DB Steven Terrell, WR De'Anthony Thomas, OL Zach Fulton, CB Kenneth Acker, ILB Ramik Wilson, CB T. Mitchell, FB Anthony Sherman

Estimated Cap Space before signings: $30 m

Re-Sign
DL Rakeem Nunez-Roches - RFA Original Round Tender $1.91 m
ILB Terrance Smith - ERFA Tender $630 k
CB Keith Baxter - ERFA Tender $560 k
ILB Kevin Pierre-Louis - 3 y $3.60 m $1.00 m guaranteed, 2018 ~ $1.10 m
DL Jarvis Jenkins - 2 y $2.50 m $500 k guaranteed, 2018 ~ $1.30 m
WR Albert Wilson - 4 y $14.1 m $5 m guaranteed, 2018 ~ $2.30 m

Total Cost: ~$7.8 m

Free Agents:
LG Andrew Norwell (CAR) - 5 y $60.00 m $30 m guaranteed, 2018 ~$8.50 m
One of the premier guards in the NFL, Norwell should be extremely high on the wish list for the Chiefs. With a young QB, it's best to give him as much protection as possible.
DT Justin Ellis (OAK) - 4 y $16 m $4.5 m guaranteed, 2018 ~$3.50 m
Ellis has been a spot starter for Oakland up until 2017 when he assumed full-time duties where he excelled as a run plugger. The Chiefs don't need to spend $8 m per on a base NT.
QB Austin Davis (SEA) - 2 y $2.2 m, 2018 ~ $1.00 m
Davis proved to be a capable backup but nothing more. He should be had cheap.
WR Deonte Thompson (BUF) - 2 y $2.0 m, ~ 2018 ~ $1.0 m
Thompson is a vertical threat on the field while also possessing excellent quickness. He is also a very good kick returner.
DL Quinton Dial (GB) - 1 y $790 k
Dial was an A quality NT in San Francisco when he started there for 1 season, but he has otherwise been misused. He received only spot duty on his 1-year deal in GB so he should be a cheap pick-up as a rotational player for an odd front.
TE Crockett Gillmore (BAL) - 1 y $790 k + incentives
Gilmore hasn't been able to stay healthy the past two seasons else he probably would have seen an increased role in Baltimore. When he's on the field, he's been solid. He could come fairly cheap on a 1-year prove-it deal.
OLB Jeremiah Attaochu (LAC) - 1 y $790 k + incentives
Attaochu looked like the real deal in 2015 but since then, much like Gillmore above, has been too often injured. He could also be cheap on a 1-year prove-it deal with incentives.

Total Cost: ~$ 16.4 m

Estimated Cap Space after signings: ~$5.8 M

Draft (7th round #s may be incorrect):
2 (54) - ILB Josey Jewell - Iowa (6'1" 236)
3 (78 f/WAS) - OLB Jeff Holland - Auburn (6'1" 249)
3 (86) - FS Armani Watts - Texas A&M (5'11" 191)
4 (124) - DE Andrew Brown - Virginia (6'4" 294)
5 (175* c/ Foles) - CB Taron Johnson - Weber State (5'11" 190)
6 (199) - QB Kurt Benkert - Virginia (6'3" 214)
7 (233 f/ ARZ) - TE Ben Johnson - Kansas (6'5" 245)
7 (235 f/ SEA) - FB Garrett Dickerson - Northwestern (6'2" 248)
7 (243 f/ TEN) - P Corey Bojorquez - New Mexico (6'0" 200)
*Estimate

QB: P. Mahomes, A. Davis, K. Benkert
RB: K. Hunt, S. Ware, C. West
FB: G. Dickerson
TE: T. Kelce, C. Gillmore, B. Johnson
WR: T. Hill, C. Conley, D. Robinson, A. Wilson, J. Chesson, D. Thompson
OL: E. Fisher, A. Norwell , M. Morse, L. Duvernay-Tardif, M. Schwartz, B. Witzman, C. Erving, P. Ehinger
DE: C. Jones, A. Bailey, J. Jenkins, R. Nunez-Roches, A. Brown
NT: J. Ellis, Q. Dial
OLB: J. Houston, D. Ford, J. Holland, T. Kpassagnon, J. Attaochu, D. Nicolas
ILB: J. Jewell, R. Ragland, K. Pierre-Louis, U. Eligwe, T. Smith
CB: M. Peters, K. Fuller, S. Nelson, T. Johnson, K. Baxter, A. Lampkin
DB: E. Berry, A. Watts, D. Sorensen, E. Murray, L. McQuay
ST: H. Butker, J. Winchester, C. Bojorquez
+A truckload of UDFAs and whatnot

pugsnotdrugs19 · 02-07-2018, 09:32 PM

Looks pretty realistic but the Chiefs won't be able to enter the draft with $5.8M in cap space or we'll have another Maclin situation on our hands.

To fix this issue within your moves, I'd let Jenkins, Pierre-Louis, and Wilson all walk.

kccrow · 02-08-2018, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Looks pretty realistic but the Chiefs won't be able to enter the draft with $5.8M in cap space or we'll have another Maclin situation on our hands.

To fix this issue within your moves, I'd let Jenkins, Pierre-Louis, and Wilson all walk.

Maybe. Here's the draft class needs (estimated)

2-054 $ 901,468
3-078 $ 711,960
3-086 $ 690,095
4-124 $ 640,687
5-175 $ 534,630
6-199 $ 518,622
7-233 $ 502,448
7-235 $ 501,861
7-243 $ 498,682
Rookie Pool = $ 5,500,453
9 x $ 480,000 = -$ 4,320,000
Eff. Cap Need = $ 1,180,453

Leaves $4.6 m

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-08-2018, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

To fix this issue within your moves, I'd let Jenkins, Pierre-Louis, and Wilson all walk.

Who do you replace them with?

O.city · 02-08-2018, 09:55 AM

I don’t think Jewell has the athleticism to play at the next level enough to spend that high of a pick on him

Maybe a 3 or 4 but 2 is too steep for me

I like the 2nd round for a dlineman that falls

staylor26 · 02-08-2018, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don’t think Jewell has the athleticism to play at the next level enough to spend that high of a pick on him

Maybe a 3 or 4 but 2 is too steep for me

I like the 2nd round for a dlineman that falls

Couldn’t agree more with this.

Give me Taven Bryan in round 2. Him and Jones together would be ****ing awesome.

If we don’t re-sign Logan, Tim Settle would be a great pick as well.

If we’re going to take an ILB there it better be Leighton Vander Esch.

kccrow · 02-10-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Couldn’t agree more with this.

Give me Taven Bryan in round 2. Him and Jones together would be ****ing awesome.

If we don’t re-sign Logan, Tim Settle would be a great pick as well.

If we’re going to take an ILB there it better be Leighton Vander Esch.

I highly doubt any of those 3 players are going to be remotely close to available at 54, especially Vander Esch and Bryan. If Vander Esch is there, I'd run to the podium pretty fast. I love all 3 players, and really, wish I could find a way to think any of them will be there but I don't. I think there is a possibility to move up for one, maybe Settle.

staylor26 · 02-10-2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I highly doubt any of those 3 players are going to be remotely close to available at 54, especially Vander Esch and Bryan. If Vander Esch is there, I'd run to the podium pretty fast. I love all 3 players, and really, wish I could find a way to think any of them will be there but I don't. I think there is a possibility to move up for one, maybe Settle.

Believe me, I don’t think they should be either, but there’s from what I’ve seen in mocks, on the clock, etc. it seems like a real possibility that one of the following falls to us IMO:

Vander Esch
Bryan
Settle
Reid
Phillips
Jefferson
McFadden

I’m seeing anything from 1st-3rd for most of these guys. There doesn’t seem to be any real consensus on them, and I have a good feeling somebody that should’nt be there will.

kccrow · 02-10-2018, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don’t think Jewell has the athleticism to play at the next level enough to spend that high of a pick on him

Maybe a 3 or 4 but 2 is too steep for me

I like the 2nd round for a dlineman that falls

If he had elite long speed, he'd be a top-10 pick. That said, he still has very good sideline-to-sideline burst and he has insane short-area quickness. I heard this same shit about guys like James Laurinaitis and Paul Posluszny, but all they did was come into the NFL and be studs putting up 110+ tackles a year. Sorry bud, sticking to my guns on this kid.

Another guy from Iowa to watch is Nathan Bazata. He's a bit undersized like Allen Bailey was coming out, but he's another very good player that you could probably get alot cheaper than his play warrants.

O.city · 02-10-2018, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

If he had elite long speed, he'd be a top-10 pick. That said, he still has very good sideline-to-sideline burst and he has insane short-area quickness. I heard this same shit about guys like James Laurinaitis and Paul Posluszny, but all they did was come into the NFL and be studs putting up 110+ tackles a year. Sorry bud, sticking to my guns on this kid.

Another guy from Iowa to watch is Nathan Bazata. He's a bit undersized like Allen Bailey was coming out, but he's another very good player that you could probably get alot cheaper than his play warrants.

Maybe so

He just seems a little to limited for me. I’d like to see what he can run and measure bunt I’m skeptical

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don’t think Jewell has the athleticism to play at the next level enough to spend that high of a pick on him

Maybe a 3 or 4 but 2 is too steep for me

I like the 2nd round for a dlineman that falls

A safety like White or Marcus Allen would have more value than Jewell in the 2nd round, IMO.

I'd be fine with Jewell in the 4th but 2nd is too high, IMO. The Chiefs need either a safety or D lineman in that spot and ready to start immediately.

RunKC · 02-08-2018, 10:16 AM

I think Watts is going round 2. Really like his game. Hell there are 2-3 quality safeties we could get in rd 2 and start them week 1.

I’m all for drafting one that high.

Couch-Potato · 02-08-2018, 10:52 AM

Very realistic, love the Norwell get. ILB looks a bit thin, resting our hopes on a rookie to start day 1 seems a bit risky.

RunKC · 02-08-2018, 11:11 AM

No love for Eligwe? I thought he looked really good in preseason. He’s also got the height/weight/speed.

I’d like to either roll with Eligwe to sign Nigel Bradham in FA

staylor26 · 02-08-2018, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

No love for Eligwe? I thought he looked really good in preseason. He’s also got the height/weight/speed.

I’d like to either roll with Eligwe to sign Nigel Bradham in FA

I don’t think you’ll find somebody on CP higher on Eligwe than me after watching him in the preseason, and in particular in that Titans game.

That’s why I’d probably pass on an ILB in round 2 unless it’s a 3 down stud that has no business being available (Vander Esch).

If we let KPL walk, I’m fine with letting Eligwe and a 3rd rounder like Jerome Baker battle it out.

02-07-2018, 08:23 PM	Topic Starter
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3277078	Mock 2/7 Trades QB Alex Smith to Washington for 2018 3rd round selection (78) and CB Kendall Fuller per sources. Retirements (Else Release) ILB Derrick Johnson OLB Tamba Hali If either of these guys don't hang it up, it's time for the Chiefs to finally grow a set of balls and cut them loose. Business is business. There is zero reason to keep players that don't produce well beyond their primes, and they've done that a couple years too many already. Cuts CB Darrelle Revis - I don't see the Chiefs picking up an 8.8 million roster bonus, especially after acquiring Kendall Fuller. OLB Frank Zombo - Zombo has proved time and again that he's nothing but a special teams guy given that he can't get pressure on the QB. FS Ron Parker (Designate as Post-June 1 cut) - Parker just doesn't make the plays to justify his contract. He fell to only 4 passes defensed on the season despite the Chiefs having problems at CB#2 all year. TE Demetrius Harris - It's time for the basketball conversion experiment to end; Harris can't catch a cold. Let Walk DL Bennie Logan, P Dustin Colquitt, QB Tyler Bray, CB Phillip Gaines, OL Jordan Devey, DB Steven Terrell, WR De'Anthony Thomas, OL Zach Fulton, CB Kenneth Acker, ILB Ramik Wilson, CB T. Mitchell, FB Anthony Sherman Estimated Cap Space before signings: $30 m Re-Sign DL Rakeem Nunez-Roches - RFA Original Round Tender $1.91 m ILB Terrance Smith - ERFA Tender $630 k CB Keith Baxter - ERFA Tender $560 k ILB Kevin Pierre-Louis - 3 y $3.60 m $1.00 m guaranteed, 2018 ~ $1.10 m DL Jarvis Jenkins - 2 y $2.50 m $500 k guaranteed, 2018 ~ $1.30 m WR Albert Wilson - 4 y $14.1 m $5 m guaranteed, 2018 ~ $2.30 m Total Cost: ~$7.8 m Free Agents: LG Andrew Norwell (CAR) - 5 y $60.00 m $30 m guaranteed, 2018 ~$8.50 m One of the premier guards in the NFL, Norwell should be extremely high on the wish list for the Chiefs. With a young QB, it's best to give him as much protection as possible. DT Justin Ellis (OAK) - 4 y $16 m $4.5 m guaranteed, 2018 ~$3.50 m Ellis has been a spot starter for Oakland up until 2017 when he assumed full-time duties where he excelled as a run plugger. The Chiefs don't need to spend $8 m per on a base NT. QB Austin Davis (SEA) - 2 y $2.2 m, 2018 ~ $1.00 m Davis proved to be a capable backup but nothing more. He should be had cheap. WR Deonte Thompson (BUF) - 2 y $2.0 m, ~ 2018 ~ $1.0 m Thompson is a vertical threat on the field while also possessing excellent quickness. He is also a very good kick returner. DL Quinton Dial (GB) - 1 y $790 k Dial was an A quality NT in San Francisco when he started there for 1 season, but he has otherwise been misused. He received only spot duty on his 1-year deal in GB so he should be a cheap pick-up as a rotational player for an odd front. TE Crockett Gillmore (BAL) - 1 y $790 k + incentives Gilmore hasn't been able to stay healthy the past two seasons else he probably would have seen an increased role in Baltimore. When he's on the field, he's been solid. He could come fairly cheap on a 1-year prove-it deal. OLB Jeremiah Attaochu (LAC) - 1 y $790 k + incentives Attaochu looked like the real deal in 2015 but since then, much like Gillmore above, has been too often injured. He could also be cheap on a 1-year prove-it deal with incentives. Total Cost: ~$ 16.4 m Estimated Cap Space after signings: ~$5.8 M Draft (7th round #s may be incorrect): 2 (54) - ILB Josey Jewell - Iowa (6'1" 236) 3 (78 f/WAS) - OLB Jeff Holland - Auburn (6'1" 249) 3 (86) - FS Armani Watts - Texas A&M (5'11" 191) 4 (124) - DE Andrew Brown - Virginia (6'4" 294) 5 (175* c/ Foles) - CB Taron Johnson - Weber State (5'11" 190) 6 (199) - QB Kurt Benkert - Virginia (6'3" 214) 7 (233 f/ ARZ) - TE Ben Johnson - Kansas (6'5" 245) 7 (235 f/ SEA) - FB Garrett Dickerson - Northwestern (6'2" 248) 7 (243 f/ TEN) - P Corey Bojorquez - New Mexico (6'0" 200) Estimate QB: P. Mahomes, A. Davis, K. Benkert* RB: K. Hunt, S. Ware, C. West FB: G. Dickerson TE: T. Kelce, C. Gillmore, B. Johnson WR: T. Hill, C. Conley, D. Robinson, A. Wilson, J. Chesson, D. Thompson OL: E. Fisher, A. Norwell , M. Morse, L. Duvernay-Tardif, M. Schwartz, B. Witzman, C. Erving, P. Ehinger DE: C. Jones, A. Bailey, J. Jenkins, R. Nunez-Roches, A. Brown NT: J. Ellis, Q. Dial OLB: J. Houston, D. Ford, J. Holland, T. Kpassagnon, J. Attaochu, D. Nicolas ILB: J. Jewell, R. Ragland, K. Pierre-Louis, U. Eligwe, T. Smith CB: M. Peters, K. Fuller, S. Nelson, T. Johnson, K. Baxter, A. Lampkin DB: E. Berry, A. Watts, D. Sorensen, E. Murray, L. McQuay ST: H. Butker, J. Winchester, C. Bojorquez +A truckload of UDFAs and whatnot
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02-08-2018, 09:55 AM	#5
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2784064	I don’t think Jewell has the athleticism to play at the next level enough to spend that high of a pick on him Maybe a 3 or 4 but 2 is too steep for me I like the 2nd round for a dlineman that falls
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02-08-2018, 10:16 AM	#12
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2289611	I think Watts is going round 2. Really like his game. Hell there are 2-3 quality safeties we could get in rd 2 and start them week 1. I’m all for drafting one that high. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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02-08-2018, 10:52 AM	#13
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2289611	No love for Eligwe? I thought he looked really good in preseason. He’s also got the height/weight/speed. I’d like to either roll with Eligwe to sign Nigel Bradham in FA __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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02-07-2018, 09:32 PM	#2
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9169447	Looks pretty realistic but the Chiefs won't be able to enter the draft with $5.8M in cap space or we'll have another Maclin situation on our hands. To fix this issue within your moves, I'd let Jenkins, Pierre-Louis, and Wilson all walk.
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