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The meeting that brought Andy Reid to Kansas City and changed the Chiefsí fortunes

Pretty interesting long-form article by Mellinger about the decision between Andy and Clark back in 2013. We knew a lot of this, but it's cool to think back about how pivotal the decision has been for the franchise. Probably not a lot to discuss, but I thought it was interesting.

The meeting that brought Andy Reid to Kansas City and changed the Chiefsí fortunes

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nf...224241440.html

The week that changed the Kansas City Chiefs forever began with a Hail Mary phone call to Andy Reidís cell phone six years ago this month. Heíd just been fired as head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and was walking out of his going-away party when he saw a number he didnít recognize.

Clark Hunt, the Chiefsí billionaire chairman in need of a coach after firing Romeo Crennel, expected to leave a message.

ďI didnít expect you to answer,Ē Hunt told Reid, according to someone familiar with the conversation.

ďThis is the first call Iíve answered,Ē Reid replied.


The two had little relationship beyond seeing each other at an annual meeting between coaches and owners. But they did have a long-distance mutual admiration. Reid has always loved history and football, and few families are more entwined with the history of football than the Hunts. As the chairman of the family business, Clark had long craved stability for the Chiefs.

The pairing made sense, with a few contingencies.

Hunt needed to know if Reid wanted to work again. Reid had just gone through an unthinkably difficult year ó his son Garrett died of an accidental overdose, and 14 seasons with the Eagles ended with a 4-12 record in 2012.

Reid needed to know if Hunt had a plan. The Chiefs had experienced their own tragedy wrapped in the worst year of their franchise history ó a 2-14 season low-lighted by starting linebacker Jovan Belcherís murder-suicide.

They met on Wednesday, Jan. 2, 2013, in a conference room at the Philadelphia airport. Within a few hours, a plane from the Cardinals landed to take Reid to an interview in Arizona. He never boarded. He also had an interview scheduled with the Chargers. He canceled it.

They ordered Chickie & Peteís ó an Eagles partner, and the host of his radio show with the Eagles ó but Reid didnít eat a bite. This was business. Before he left he made a decision that would change the league and set forth the path of one of the sportís longest head-coaching careers.

In the following years, the Chiefs went from dysfunction to stability, from 2-14 to the AFCís No. 1 seed with Reid. The coach went from fired to wanted, from a situation that had become unrepairable to a place so excited for his credibility that a news helicopter followed his first drive to the stadium.

Reid has bolstered a Hall of Fame case, and now holds the franchiseís best chance of reaching a Super Bowl in at least 15 years. All of it started in that conference room six years ago, a relationship forged over crab fries, the coach who had his pick of jobs choosing the Chiefs for reasons that ran from personal to professional.

Eight teams hired new coaches that cycle. The Chiefs moved first, and best. Reid is the only coach hired that offseason still with his team, and only the Patriots have won more games. Chiefs executives considered themselves lucky that Reid was available, the perfect man at the perfect time.

ďJust how thorough Clark was,Ē Reid said this week when asked what he remembered about that meeting. ďHe wants to win a championship. Thatís what he wants to do. He gave you every indicator thatís what he wanted. As a coach, thatís all you can ask for. Then he went into details from there.Ē


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Old 01-11-2019, 04:16 PM   #31
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Some of that maybe. I think he's one of those guys that needs an all-pro at every level to succeed, kind of like Gunther.

I've always been more of a "it's the players, not the coaching" person anyway but in this case, that certainly seems to be true. When Poe, Houston, and Berry were all in top shape, Sutton was lights out. They started to break down and so did his scheme. You can't build defenses like that, because the stars just don't align all that often.
I think a part of the problem is he expects the guys he has now to do what those guys did in their prime. It's asking a hell of a lot for players with inferior talent to do that.
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I think a part of the problem is he expects the guys he has now to do what those guys did in their prime. It's asking a hell of a lot for players with inferior talent to do that.
Yep. It's very difficult to expect players to completely change to fit a scheme. It's also very difficult to completely overhaul a scheme to fit certain players. There has to be some give and take.

With Bob, it seems to be his way or no way. It's the little things, like having a designated left and right CB. Why not just put your best guy on their best guy? Sometimes it's okay to do things different.

Anyway, the Raiders game was an improvement, let's hope it continues.
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I think a part of the problem is he expects the guys he has now to do what those guys did in their prime. It's asking a hell of a lot for players with inferior talent to do that.
What other choice does he have?
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Right now, Reid is looking a lot like Marty and that's not a good thing honestly. The Chiefs have had tons of regular season success, now it's time for the postseason.

Fortunately. Andy has something now that neither Marty nor him have EVER had - Patrick Mahomes.
Yup. Tomorrow is a monumental day for Andy.

This is not year 1, 2 or 3. Itís year 6. Weíve achieved our goals of making the playoffs and winning the division. Now itís time to win playoff games.

If Andy canít win even one playoff game with HFA and the best QB on the planet, then that should cast serious doubt on if heíll ever be able to take us to the Super Bowl.
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What other choice does he have?
Make adjustments? Simplify the defense? When Ward is telling the public he hasn't played until week 16 because he was learning the complicated playbook there's a problem.
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Yup. Tomorrow is a monumental day for Andy.

This is not year 1, 2 or 3. Itís year 6. Weíve achieved our goals of making the playoffs and winning the division. Now itís time to win playoff games.

If Andy canít win even one playoff game with HFA and the best QB on the planet, then that should cast serious doubt on if heíll ever be able to take us to the Super Bowl.
I certainly won't be happy if we lose, but I'll wait to see if Sutton sticks around before getting too crazy. If Sutton is gone, that tells me Andy at least knows what needs to be done (even if he's slow to do it).
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Make adjustments? Simplify the defense? When Ward is telling the public he hasn't played until week 16 because he was learning the complicated playbook there's a problem.
Impossible to know if that would have fixed anything.
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Impossible to know if that would have fixed anything.
I'd take a chance on the unknown over this horrific defense we have now.
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I'd take a chance on the unknown over this horrific defense we have now.
The time to do that was last offseason, unfortunately.
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Can you imagine who Clark's second candidate was after Andy? That would have been terrible. Somewhere in an alternate plane that scenario exists and it probably brought the apocalypse down on Arrowhead.
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Can you imagine who Clark's second candidate was after Andy? That would have been terrible. Somewhere in an alternate plane that scenario exists and it probably brought the apocalypse down on Arrowhead.
The way Hunt was conducting himself at the time, I'm guessing his list had guys like Cowher on it. He was wanting something similar to the Marty years. He took a chance on Pioli and it go him burned badly.
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Can you imagine who Clark's second candidate was after Andy? That would have been terrible. Somewhere in an alternate plane that scenario exists and it probably brought the apocalypse down on Arrowhead.
Check out this article from right after Romeo was fired and the Chiefs began their HC search... talk about dodging a bullet:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8...cott-pioli-now

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The Atlanta Falcons have granted permission for the Chiefs to interview offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter for their head coach vacancy, sources told ESPN.

The interview will take place on Tuesday. Koetter is permitted to interview this week because the Falcons have a first-round bye in the playoffs. The Chiefs also asked for permission to interview Falcons special teams coach Keith Armstrong, according to a league source.
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He was just fine for the first 4 years. He doesn't know what to do without Poe, Houston, and Berry. Time for him to go away. But it wasn't a bad hire at the time.
Yeah, I was pumped about it at the time. It is kind of funny that the Sutton thing had popped up on my FB memories for today.


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This was a good read. We made a good pitch to the best coach available. We drafted the superstar QB. Let's reap some rewards from those actions
This is why I don't get anyone ever saying that Clark has not tried, or spent the money, or doesn't care. Heck, even Pioli at the time was considered the best and most expensive available.
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