Chiefs Why Kansas City should trade for Deone Bucannon & Haason Reddick - Page 7

Iconic · 10-08-2018, 03:10 PM

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While the NFL trade deadline is still a few weeks away, that didn’t keep us from musing about some trades that we would like to see for each team last week. Feasibility is always an issue when discussing swapping resources this time of year, but with news from Arizona that former first-round picks Deone Bucannon and Haason Reddick are available, there is a first-place team that might have the requisite motivation to allow the Cardinals to move on from these players.

The Kansas City Chiefs’ defense has been maligned for the better part of the last two years, and for good reason. Even after a solid performance against Blake Bortles and the Jacksonville Jaguars this past Sunday, Chiefs are allowing success in the passing game on 53.70% of early downs, which has been the third-worst mark in the AFC. This is despite the fact that outside linebacker Dee Ford is playing the best football of his career (30 total pressures so far), and the trio of Kendall Fuller, Steven Nelson and Orlando Scandrick has A) been healthy all five games and B) played better than expected.

Their run defense, allowing the 54.55% early-down success rate (worst in the NFL), hasn’t fared much better, however.

This gets to where Bucannon and/or Reddick fit in. The Chiefs signed Anthony Hitchens to a five-year, $45-million deal this offseason to replace Derrick Johnson as their every-down inside linebacker. Hitchens has struggled in that role, allowing 33-of-35 targets into his coverage to be completed, for 1.72 yards per coverage snap (fifth-worst among inside linebackers through Sunday). He’s always been a better run defender than a coverage player throughout his career, but he’s just 47th there this season, with 11 total stops and four missed tackles.

Reggie Ragland, acquired in a trade from Buffalo last preseason, has been very productive in run defense (14th in run-stop percentage) but has (predictably) struggled in pass coverage himself, allowing 1.66 yards per coverage snap and a touchdown this week against T.J. Yeldon in coverage.

While Bucannon has failed to adapt to Steve Wilks’ new scheme this season, Bucannon graded well as a coverage linebacker in 2015 and 2016 and would represent the dime linebacker/safety hybrid the Chiefs have been missing since Tyvon Branch and Hussain Abdullah left after the 2015 season. Whether it has been injuries to safeties Eric Berry and Daniel Sorensen, or feeling the need to play Hitchens and Ragland due to their investment in them, the Chiefs have played six or more defensive backs on fewer than 15% of their defensive snaps this season, down from over 40% the last two years under Bob Sutton. Playing fewer defensive backs has not helped their run defense no matter how you look at it statistically, and while in general more defensive backs does allow more efficiency in the running game, opposing offense’s expected points added against six defensive backs or more when passing the ball is still higher (-0.05 per early-down play since 2013) than when running the ball (-0.07).

When it comes to Reddick, it’s important to point out that, in our preparation for the draft, we found that players that play the same position in the NFL than they did in college were easier to predict than those (like Reddick) that changed positions. The Chiefs are currently working with two players in Breeland Speaks and Tanoh Kpassagnon that were interior players at the college level, but are playing outside linebacker in Sutton’s 3-4 defense. The results have been predictable, with the two combining for just 22 pressures and eight stops in 350 career snaps to this point. Even before Justin Houston left Sunday’s game with an injury, the Chiefs have been in search of a healthy and solid third edge player for as long as Sutton has run the defense. Having Reddick (who had 44 pressures and 46 stops as an edge his final season at Temple) in that role could help revive his career and give the Chiefs options in the future – with Ford facing a contract year and Houston carrying roughly $31 million in potential salary savings the next two years.

With the highest projected win total in the NFL after five weeks, a bright young quarterback on a rookie deal and a head coaching spinning plates with the best of the NFL’s offensive minds, it will be interesting to see the Chiefs’ appetite for improving the personnel of their defense moving forward. While Bucannon or Reddick will likely not be stars, they could contribute in small ways towards making the Chiefs a top-20 defense, which would likely be enough in an offensive-heavy season like this.

In trading for Ragland (a former second-round pick) and starting guard Cameron Erving (a former first-round pick) in his tenure, GM Brett Veach has shown that he’s willing to take a chance on another team’s failed investments. In jettisoning Johnson, star cornerback Marcus Peters and the final three picks of the John Dorsey era after just one year, he’s also shown the ability to cut bait on projects that have produced little fruit.

This appears to be an opportunity to do both.

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DenverChief · 10-09-2018, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Won't happen, Berry is going to hang out for every last drop of that money he signed for. Also the Chiefs walking away this early makes them look stupid too.

If he can't play because he is in too much pain...? How long do you hold on before it becomes obvious you won't play again.

Mecca · 10-09-2018, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

If he can't play because he is in too much pain...? How long do you hold on before it becomes obvious you won't play again.

As long as possible, if he were to retire the Chiefs could recoup some of his money and he doesn't want that.

He'll make them cut him before he retires or walks away.

**The Franchise** · 10-09-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

As long as possible, if he were to retire the Chiefs could recoup some of his money and he doesn't want that.

He'll make them cut him before he retires or walks away.

You keep saying this like you're friends with Berry's agent.

Mecca · 10-09-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

You keep saying this like you're friends with Berry's agent.

If you were him would you walk away in the 2nd year of a 70 million dollar deal that has a ton of guarantees left that you wouldn't get along with the fact that the Chiefs could probably try to make him repay a bunch of his signing bonus?

You wouldn't and I wouldn't...and I highly doubt he's going to do that either.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-09-2018, 04:52 PM

Reddick was drafted 13th overall because he’s supposed to be a 3 down ILB. I assume that’s how the Chiefs would view him, especially if he’s been playing well this year.

Mecca · 10-09-2018, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Reddick was drafted 13th overall because he’s supposed to be a 3 down ILB. I assume that’s how the Chiefs would view him, especially if he’s been playing well this year.

He actually hasn't played much cause their scheme is all different now.

staylor26 · 10-09-2018, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He actually hasn't played much cause their scheme is all different now.

Sounds like he’s been good in coverage and he has two sacks though

htismaqe · 10-09-2018, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Reddick was drafted 13th overall because he’s supposed to be a 3 down ILB. I assume that’s how the Chiefs would view him, especially if he’s been playing well this year.

If you can get a former mid-1st rounder for a late round pick, you do it.

**The Franchise** · 10-09-2018, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If you can get a former mid-1st rounder for a late round pick, you do it.

Well Veach has already done it with Erving.

mcaj22 · 10-09-2018, 05:03 PM

getting either if these guys is basically admitting Hitchens or Ragland was a mistake/bust acquisition.

Iconic · 10-09-2018, 05:03 PM

Dudes got insane speed he could play that hybrid S/LB role. We'd finally have a guy in the middle that could man up on the RB or hell cover the TE like Berry used to.

Man the more I'm looking into this it makes so much sense. He could literally solve so many issues with the D right now...

TambaBerry · 10-09-2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

Dudes got insane speed he could play that hybrid S/LB role. We'd finally have a guy in the middle that could man up on the RB or hell cover the TE like Berry used to.

Man the more I'm looking into this it makes so much sense. He could literally solve so many issues with the D right now...

YES YES YES

Mecca · 10-09-2018, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

getting either if these guys is basically admitting Hitchens or Ragland was a mistake/bust acquisition.

Ragland was a trade for a 4th round pick that is on a rookie deal...it's not like that is admitting something that is a huge deal.

htismaqe · 10-09-2018, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

getting either if these guys is basically admitting Hitchens or Ragland was a mistake/bust acquisition.

Not really. He's a different kind of backer. He would actually be playing more like O'Daniel, which would kind of be a wasted draft pick I think.

What it would do is allow Hitchens to slide over into Ragland's spot and get Ragland off the field altogether...

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-09-2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

getting either if these guys is basically admitting Hitchens or Ragland was a mistake/bust acquisition.

What? Lol

I don’t agree at all but if that is even the case, good on them for addressing this issue anyways.

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