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Old 01-13-2019, 01:38 PM  
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:42 AM   #736
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We've had it drilled into our heads for 19 years now.

BB's priorities:

1) points
1b) turnovers
1c) red zone
1d) 3rd down
1e) control the line of scrimmage
ha ha . . . yes we have heard it many times.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:44 AM   #737
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Yes he is, and sometimes to the frustration of the fans. In the end though, whenever i might be upset about a game plan or philosophy in a given game, I just trust that BB is doing was gives us the best percentage and knowingly that we are not always going to get it our way even though the percentages are in our favor, over the long haul though it will pan out in our favor more times than not.

From what I recall he was pissed, probably figured the players or the coaches could of done a better job executing.

Be interesting if he has anything different for Sunday.
As you know he'll say, "we need to play better, coach better, execute better, bal bla"

But what he starts out with is usually the thing he feels needs fixing....he said "coach better".

I think Flores is a helluva coach but he was not prepared for KCs 2nd 1/2 adjustments and dropping into the C2 and not attacking was way too conservative.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:46 AM   #738
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So let me get this straight -- you are concluding that the Patriots' pass rush is superior to Kansas City's even though New England's sack totals are far lower and the very statistics you linked to suggest that the two teams are comparable in terms of overall QB pressures?







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The Patriots have an edge in all of those categories. From the way some people here talk about KC's pass rush, you'd think they were the 2015 Broncos, which is clearly not the case. I've also seen absurd claims like "NE has zero pass rush," which is equally as absurd.

The best part about NE's pass defense is that the front works extremely well with the backend. The pass rush is clearly there, and the secondary has been phenomenal.

The same can't be said of the Chiefs' defense. Their pass rush has been good, but their coverage has been weak. A good pass rush is not enough to stop this offense when it is operating at peak potential. You need elite cover guys at LB, CB, and S. On top of that, if you can't stop the run, nor the pass, Brady will kill you with play action.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:48 AM   #739
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As you know he'll say, "we need to play better, coach better, execute better, bal bla"

But what he starts out with is usually the thing he feels needs fixing....he said "coach better".

I think Flores is a helluva coach but he was not prepared for KCs 2nd 1/2 adjustments and dropping into the C2 and not attacking was way too conservative.
Yes BB will generally direct things at the coaches first, which i like about him.

Agreed, I would not have mind had we stayed more in a normal D in the 2nd half.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:48 AM   #740
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The Patriots have an edge in all of those categories. From the way some people here talk about KC's pass rush, you'd think they were the 2015 Broncos, which is clearly not the case. I've also seen absurd claims like "NE has zero pass rush," which is equally as absurd.

The best part about NE's pass defense is that the front works extremely well with the backend. The pass rush is clearly there, and the secondary has been phenomenal.

The same can't be said of the Chiefs' defense. Their pass rush has been good, but their coverage has been weak. A good pass rush is not enough to stop this offense when it is operating at peak potential. You need elite cover guys at LB, CB, and S. On top of that, if you can't stop the run, nor the pass, Brady will kill you with play action.
Stop moving the goalposts, idiot. You've claimed that New England has a better pass rush than Kansas City. The statistics you tried to use to support that point are a wash--within tenths of a percentage point. And yet the Chiefs are #1 in sack totals, while the Patriots are #31.

You're wrong. Own it.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:53 AM   #741
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Stop moving the goalposts, idiot. You've claimed that New England has a better pass rush than Kansas City. The statistics you tried to use to support that point are a wash--within tenths of a percentage point. And yet the Chiefs are #1 in sack totals, while the Patriots are #31.

You're wrong. Own it.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:53 AM   #742
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Also, RobertWeathers and Yehoodi, you guys are chill. I'm only going after Wham so hard because he's clearly a LGOLED mult and is on other accounts talking shit about hillbillies when he lives in ****ing North Carolina.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:56 AM   #743
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Stop moving the goalposts, idiot. You've claimed that New England has a better pass rush than Kansas City. The statistics you tried to use to support that point are a wash--within tenths of a percentage point. And yet the Chiefs are #1 in sack totals, while the Patriots are #31.

You're wrong. Own it.
Here is what I said, squirt. Try to pay attention this time. Take your time reading this very slowly if required, so that I don't have to repeat myself.

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You allowed something like 27 points per game this season and over 400+ yards per game.

Congrats on the sack numbers, but your defense doesn't get an absurd amount of pressure on the QB. In fact, as has already been stated here and verified with facts, your defense gets less overall pressure than ours.
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Sacks are only a portion of the total number of pressures. You have fewer pressures per snap on the season than we do.

That is a fact.
Everything I stated here is a fact, backed by actual stats.

Hopefully this was laid out for you in a way that even someone like you could comprehend.

Hope that helps.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:56 AM   #744
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As you know he'll say, "we need to play better, coach better, execute better, bal bla"

But what he starts out with is usually the thing he feels needs fixing....he said "coach better".

I think Flores is a helluva coach but he was not prepared for KCs 2nd 1/2 adjustments and dropping into the C2 and not attacking was way too conservative.
Y'all keep saying this but it was a one score game after the 3rd play of the second half. NE corners were up in press, and Hightower shows blitz but drops in shallow. That wasn't soft or conservative coverage at all. And it wasn't like the Chiefs dinked and dunked to get back into the game. KC had their two biggest plays in the second have (69 and 75 yards).
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Also, RobertWeathers and Yehoodi, you guys are chill. I'm only going after Wham so hard because he's clearly a LGOLED mult and is on other accounts talking shit about hillbillies when he lives in ****ing North Carolina.
He called us "mouthbreathers" within his first 10 posts
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:57 AM   #746
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The Patriots have an edge in all of those categories. From the way some people here talk about KC's pass rush, you'd think they were the 2015 Broncos, which is clearly not the case. I've also seen absurd claims like "NE has zero pass rush," which is equally as absurd.

The best part about NE's pass defense is that the front works extremely well with the backend. The pass rush is clearly there, and the secondary has been phenomenal.

The same can't be said of the Chiefs' defense. Their pass rush has been good, but their coverage has been weak. A good pass rush is not enough to stop this offense when it is operating at peak potential. You need elite cover guys at LB, CB, and S. On top of that, if you can't stop the run, nor the pass, Brady will kill you with play action.
You're starting to divert here...

The difference in pass rush % is negligible. We are pointing that out. On top of that, we are 1st in the league in sacks. You guys are 31st. We also have 10 more sacks at home than we do on the road. Put that all together and KC's front line is more effective. It doesn't mean that NE's is bad, it just means that KC's is better.

Plus, as mentioned numerous times (but I have yet to see you address it), KC plays much better defense at home and NE plays much worse on the road.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:58 AM   #747
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Here is what I said, squirt. Try to pay attention this time. Take your time reading this very slowly if required, so that I don't have to repeat myself.





Everything I stated here is a fact, backed by actual stats.

Hopefully this was laid out for you in a way that even someone like you could comprehend.

Hope that helps.
Can you address the fact that the chiefs have significantly more sacks, while generating at most 3 less pressures on the QB per game?
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Here is what I said, squirt. Try to pay attention this time. Take your time reading this very slowly if required, so that I don't have to repeat myself.





Everything I stated here is a fact, backed by actual stats.

Hopefully this was laid out for you in a way that even someone like you could comprehend.

Hope that helps.
It may be a "fact" but it doesn't tell the whole story. Or are you going to maintain that Alex Smith was a better QB than Brady was last year because his passer rating was 1.5 points higher than Brady's?
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:01 PM   #749
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Can you address the fact that the chiefs have significantly more sacks, while generating at most 3 less pressures on the QB per game?
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Can you address the fact that the chiefs have significantly more sacks, while generating at most 3 less pressures on the QB per game?
The Chiefs have significantly more sacks. 52. We played another team with 52 sacks on the road this season and they only had 2 sacks that game, and another team with 50 sacks at home, who had 2 sacks against us.

Sorry but if you are hoping for some inordinate amount of sacks against this Sunday, you're going to be disappointed. You better hope that your guys can actually cover, which they haven't shown that they can do for the vast majority of the season.
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