Let's talk about the Patriots

[cmh6476]

too soon?

[Chief_N_Bama]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

You allowed something like 27 points per game this season and over 400+ yards per game.

Congrats on the sack numbers, but your defense doesn't get an absurd amount of pressure on the QB. In fact, as has already been stated here and verified with facts, your defense gets less overall pressure than ours.

1. Being able to "pressure" a QB with just your front 4 > bringing an extra man. KC's pressure comes overwhelmingly from its front 4 (Ford/Houston/Jones specifically), while NE relies on blitzes.

2. Pressure consist of either sacking, hitting, or hurrying the QB. Sacking>Hitting>Hurrying. NE generates more hurries than KC but not the sacks and hits.

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama

1. Being able to "pressure" a QB with just your front 4 > bringing an extra man.

2. Pressure consist of either sacking, hitting, or hurrying the QB. Sacking>Hitting>Hurrying. NE generates more hurries than KC but not the sacks and hits.

Luckily, NE has been able to get more pressure without blitzing than KC.

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1080961908075872258

[Yehoodi]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Yeah but lets not act like Alex Smith = Patrick Mahomes.

Again this GAP between defenses doesn't exist to the degree some Patriot fans are saying, but the GAP between our offenses and special teams does exist.

Patrick Mahomes is better than Alex Smith.

However with respect to GAPs i am not so sure things as you say. BB's states many times the biggest concern for him is points, followed by a close second being turnovers. Most everything else is not really important to him. I agree with him

We when compare points this season we see . .

KC Off. 565 points
NE Off. 436

diff. of 129

KC Def 421
NE Def 325

diff is 96

Surely some of these numbers are due to ST getting/yielding points and Off doing the same (pick 6, etc.)

In the end the +/- for the offenses is 129 in KC favor and 96 in NE favor for the defenses.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Here are the numbers through week 17

So let me get this straight -- you are concluding that the Patriots' pass rush is superior to Kansas City's even though New England's sack totals are far lower and the very statistics you linked to suggest that the two teams are comparable in terms of overall QB pressures?







We're in How to be a Homer 101 here, folks.

[bobbything]

Chris Jones is gonna tongue punch Brady right in his fart box.

We will score 30. Bank on it. The Patriots defense is bad away from Lady Bic Stadium. This team hasn't given up 30 points in almost 5 years at home.

KC by 10.

[Yehoodi]

Originally Posted by Danguardace

Maclin played about 2 series before being benched.

I personally dont care for injuries, look at the Eagles last year... no excuse. That said it is nice to have both teams healthy so no excuses.

Okay thanks for recall. Also, Alex Smith was playing and not Mahomes and it was easier for us too back then as we had to face Smith.

Yes am glad to see there are not a lot of major injuries. Full teams on both sides of the ball.

Can not wait for Sunday.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Luckily, NE has been able to get more pressure without blitzing than KC.

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1080961908075872258

28.3% (NE) to 28.1% (KC) -- that's a pretty drastic difference and convincing point you've made there.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Luckily, NE has been able to get more pressure without blitzing than KC.

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1080961908075872258

I don't call thata a victory for New England. You have what, 65 offensive plays per game so on average you get 1/2 to 1 more play of pressure but with significantly less sacks?

[RollChiefsRoll]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I don't call thata a victory for New England. You have what, 65 offensive plays per game so on average you get 1/2 to 1 more play of pressure but with significantly less sacks?

He's beating his chest about literal tenths of a percentage point in difference when the two teams are ranked right beside each other. He's a ****ing homer troll who should be rompered.

[Yehoodi]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

Agree. Bill is all about risk management.

I do recall on Monday after the KC game he was pissed. That was telling.

Yes he is, and sometimes to the frustration of the fans. In the end though, whenever i might be upset about a game plan or philosophy in a given game, I just trust that BB is doing was gives us the best percentage and knowingly that we are not always going to get it our way even though the percentages are in our favor, over the long haul though it will pan out in our favor more times than not.

From what I recall he was pissed, probably figured the players or the coaches could of done a better job executing.

Be interesting if he has anything different for Sunday.

[O.city]

Chiefs left a lot of plays on the field in the first half in Foxboro. Open WR's for TD's, INT's etc.

Should have put 50 on them.

[pill]

Patriots gave up 3 big plays and a turnover in their own end last time. Can"t expect this to happen again. Chiefs have every advantage being home in one of the toughest places to play in the NFL. Mahomes is simply fantastic. Chiefs' offense great. Chiefs' defense not very good. especially at linebacker. Chiefs' have great coaching. Patriots also well coached, good offense, the GOAT and a better defense. Weather BIG factor but cold can be managed as long as not too much wind. Receivers will have to be careful catching the ball. Game may slow down. but again Chiefs has big advantage being at home and Patriots have not played that well on road.

[Chief_N_Bama]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Luckily, NE has been able to get more pressure without blitzing than KC.

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1080961908075872258

KC generates a sack 7.61% of pass attempts. NE, 4.65%. So, the .2% difference is because of hurries or pressures. Meanwhile, KC is nearly 3 full % pts better at sacking the QB.

I'll take KC's pass rush. At Arrowhead.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by Yehoodi

Patrick Mahomes is better than Alex Smith.

However with respect to GAPs i am not so sure things as you say. BB's states many times the biggest concern for him is points, followed by a close second being turnovers. Most everything else is not really important to him. I agree with him

We when compare points this season we see . .

KC Off. 565 points
NE Off. 436

diff. of 129

KC Def 421
NE Def 325

diff is 96

Surely some of these numbers are due to ST getting/yielding points and Off doing the same (pick 6, etc.)

In the end the +/- for the offenses is 129 in KC favor and 96 in NE favor for the defenses.

We've had it drilled into our heads for 19 years now.

BB's priorities:

1) points
1b) turnovers
1c) red zone
1d) 3rd down
1e) control the line of scrimmage

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll

28.3% (NE) to 28.1% (KC) -- that's a pretty drastic difference and convincing point you've made there.

The dude has been spouting this stat for about 10 pages. There is virtually no difference.

If they showed home vs. away, I'm sure KC's pressure at home vs. NE's pressure away is vast. But, that won't fit his narrative.