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Old 05-18-2019, 08:34 PM  
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Trump considering pardoning war criminals on memorial day

Has there even been a president who has disrespected and pissed on the military more?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/u...imes&smtyp=cur

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President Trump has indicated that he is considering pardons for several American military members accused or convicted of war crimes, including high-profile cases of murder, attempted murder and desecration of a corpse, according to two United States officials.

The officials said that the Trump administration had made expedited requests this week for paperwork needed to pardon the troops on or around Memorial Day.

One request is for Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher of the Navy SEALs, who is scheduled to stand trial in the coming weeks on charges of shooting unarmed civilians and killing an enemy captive with a knife while deployed in Iraq.

The others are believed to include the case of a former Blackwater security contractor recently found guilty in the deadly 2007 shooting of dozens of unarmed Iraqis; the case of Maj. Mathew L. Golsteyn, the Army Green Beret accused of killing an unarmed Afghan in 2010; and the case of a group of Marine Corps snipers charged with urinating on the corpses of dead Taliban fighters.
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:07 AM   #76
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So your approach to handling whistleblowers is to force them to expose themselves to the public. That's not how whistleblower protection works. The whole point is to give them a chance to speak out without fear of retaliation. There's already some evidence to suggest they had reason to fear speaking out.

It's not a holier than thou act. I have not said the guy is innocent or guilty. Put it through the court process. If these whistleblowers are lying then expose them of it. But give it due process.

If these soldiers can be smeared for lying it supports the right wing narrative. See how this works?
He doesn't have any facts to present to back his feelings, on what he suspects happened. He can only rant about you. That's his whole shtick if you noticed.
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:33 AM   #77
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This Chief Gallagher case is a political mess beyond the merits. It is overshadowing the other cases apparently being considered but it is different.

I trust the system (I have experience from my youth in combat being the subject of different Article 32 investigations questioning my actions and judgment plus many times as a CA) so I basically agree with Congressman Crenshaw. Although no immunity should be offered to the accusers-let their actions and claims be seen in the light of the testimony.

“Republican congressman Dan Crenshaw of Texas is weighing in on the story, telling National Review*in a written statement: “These cases should be decided by the courts, where the entirety of the evidence can be viewed. Only after that should a pardon be considered.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...siders-pardon/

“Chief of Staff of the Navy's Defense Service Offices, requested a response by Tuesday from the Chief of the Navy's regional law offices detailing exactly what type of software was used and what it could do, who authorized it, and what controls were put in place to limit its spread on government networks.”

“The commanding officers of the 4 Defense Service Offices (DSO) and I have no confidence that our defense counsel attorney-client communications on [Navy-Marine Corps Intranet] and other Government-provided networks are protected from unauthorized disclosure as a result of this introduction of malware."
https://taskandpurpose.com/navy-seal-spying-letter

Media pundits. These types weighing in is not helpful but expected and it’s become a symbol for opposing views by people who were not there. Like me.

https://thinkprogress.org/conservati...-51a509b882b7/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ec0_story.html
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:53 AM   #78
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Media pundits. These types weighing in is not helpful but expected and it’s become a symbol for opposing views by people who were not there. Like me.

If I posted that, I'd be accused of using "anecdotal" evidence.
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:57 AM   #79
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HCF probably defended the My Lai massacre in his day, before knowing enough about it.
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:41 AM   #80
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I don’t think a pardon should be used to hide the truth. Before a pardon there should be a guilty verdict or plea.

Ford telling the country that Americans couldn’t handle finding out what Nixon did or didn’t do set a horrible precedent.
In some cases a pre-emptive pardon makes sense and in some cases it makes sense to wait for the trial where all the evidence is subjected to scrutiny, IMO.

I disagree with you about Nixon and I don’t think that was about hiding information from the American people. I think Ford did the right thing for the country.
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:45 AM   #81
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HCF probably defended the My Lai massacre in his day, before knowing enough about it.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:11 AM   #82
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Prosecutor removed from Gallagher case.

“Capt McMahon has been directed off of the case and this decision was made due to no adverse conduct of his own," a Marine spokesman told the Union-Tribune.

https://taskandpurpose.com/judge-removes-prosecutor
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Old 06-07-2019, 10:32 AM   #83
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Trump Steps Back From Plan to Pardon War Criminals: Report


...Though Trump hasn’t ruled out the possibility of bringing back such pardons at a later date in his presidency, the pressure convinced him to ease off the plan: He hasn’t tweeted about the idea or mentioned it in public since Memorial Day...

As Trump made his pardon plans known, veterans expressed concerns that the president’s acute leniency would undermine the rule of law. “Absent evidence of innocence or injustice the wholesale pardon of US service members accused of war crimes signals our troops and allies that we don’t take the Law of Armed Conflict seriously,” tweeted General Marty Dempsey, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Charles Krulak, a former Marine Corps commandant, told the L.A. Times, “If President Trump issues indiscriminate pardons of individuals accused — or convicted by their fellow service members — of war crimes, he relinquishes the United States’ moral high ground and undermines the good order and discipline critical to winning on the battlefield.”

Though Trump hasn’t ruled out the possibility of bringing back such pardons at a later date in his presidency, the pressure convinced him to ease off the plan: He hasn’t tweeted about the idea or mentioned it in public since Memorial Day.

As Trump made his pardon plans known, veterans expressed concerns that the president’s acute leniency would undermine the rule of law. “Absent evidence of innocence or injustice the wholesale pardon of US service members accused of war crimes signals our troops and allies that we don’t take the Law of Armed Conflict seriously,” tweeted General Marty Dempsey, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Charles Krulak, a former Marine Corps commandant, told the L.A. Times, “If President Trump issues indiscriminate pardons of individuals accused — or convicted by their fellow service members — of war crimes, he relinquishes the United States’ moral high ground and undermines the good order and discipline critical to winning on the battlefield.”

Though Trump hasn’t ruled out the possibility of bringing back such pardons at a later date in his presidency, the pressure convinced him to ease off the plan: He hasn’t tweeted about the idea or mentioned it in public since Memorial Day.

As Trump made his pardon plans known, veterans expressed concerns that the president’s acute leniency would undermine the rule of law. “Absent evidence of innocence or injustice the wholesale pardon of US service members accused of war crimes signals our troops and allies that we don’t take the Law of Armed Conflict seriously,” tweeted General Marty Dempsey, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Charles Krulak, a former Marine Corps commandant, told the L.A. Times, “If President Trump issues indiscriminate pardons of individuals accused — or convicted by their fellow service members — of war crimes, he relinquishes the United States’ moral high ground and undermines the good order and discipline critical to winning on the battlefield.”

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...ls-report.html
Hear who said that, NeoCons? Veterans and some military commanders.
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Old 06-07-2019, 10:54 AM   #84
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At least we got some here to out themselves as pro war criminal
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Old 06-20-2019, 01:19 PM   #85
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Prosecutor removed from Gallagher case.

“Capt McMahon has been directed off of the case and this decision was made due to no adverse conduct of his own," a Marine spokesman told the Union-Tribune.

https://taskandpurpose.com/judge-removes-prosecutor
It got wilder today.

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Medic testifies that he, not Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher, was responsible for ISIS fighter's death

A medic testifying in the trial of Navy SEAL Edward Gallagher – who is accused of killing an injured ISIS prisoner of war in Iraq – shocked trial observers when he testified Thursday that he was responsible for the Islamic militant's death, not Gallagher.

Special Operator 1st Class Corey Scott, a SEAL Team Seven medic, revealed during cross-examination in the courtroom at Naval Base San Diego that he killed the fighter by asphyxiation. Scott testified that he saw Gallagher stab the fighter, but then he himself held his thumb over a breathing tube that had been inserted into the militant's mouth.

“Did Chief Gallagher kill this terrorist?” Gallagher's attorney Timothy Parlatore then asked Scott.

"No," he replied....
https://www.foxnews.com/us/medic-tes...fighters-death
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Wow. That sounds like Perry Mason level courtroom drama. It probably wasn't, but it sounds like it.
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'It's Independence Day': Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher hugs his wife as he walks free after being found NOT GUILTY of murdering ISIS fighter despite being convicted of one war crime - posing with a corpse

A decorated Navy SEAL has been acquitted Tuesday of murder in the killing of a wounded Islamic State captive under his care in Iraq in 2017.

The verdict was met with an outpouring of emotion as the military jury also cleared Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher, 40, of attempted murder in the shootings of two civilians and all other charges except for posing for photos with the body of the dead captive.

The case exposed a generational conflict within the ranks of the elite special forces group and the outcome dealt a major blow to one of the military's most high-profile war crimes cases.

Outside the court Gallagher greeted the media alongside his wife and lawyers. He spoke briefly saying: 'I'm happy and I'm thankful.

'I thank God, my legal team and my wife,' he said.

According to Fox News he joked with his legal team that 'it's Independence Day'...
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He is expected to be spared jail as the maximum sentence for the crime is four months and he spent longer in confinement awaiting trial
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At least we got some here to out themselves as pro war criminal
Not guilty.

Look at the thread title and think about how you pissed on our military.
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Liberals here are upset that an American hero was acquitted. They would side with ISIS first. Disgraceful.
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“The panel of five Marines and two sailors, including a SEAL, were mostly seasoned combat veterans who served in Iraq and several had lost friends in war.”
https://www.apnews.com/e3f009f195944d1f99b5c4ccd6bb31d2

I think he had a very favorable panel (jury equivalent). Jury of his peers.....
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