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Old 09-24-2019, 03:30 PM  
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Pelosi to open impeachment inquiry



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Old 10-18-2019, 12:38 PM   #4651
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Because if you don’t know you’re giving something for something in return, you’re really just giving something. There’s no “for” in the “this for that” formulation.
Are you familiar with inchoate crimes?
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:54 PM   #4652
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Right. The reporter insisted on putting words in Mulvaney’s mouth with his question. And then when Mulvaney failed to say the Bidens and 2020 were a part of the motivation, the media just pirouetted in sync with democrats to push the message that Mulvaney had admitted the quid pro quo that they’ve been trying to confirm since the whistleblower report was first announced without any shame over the fact that it was a completely different subject matter (corruption and the 2016 election rather than the Bidens and the 2020 election). Peak dishonesty/ignorance.
It's the type of stuff you see in dictatorial/fascistic regimes. Propaganda. Total shift has happened in America. Not only do opinions differ, but objective observation is now gone.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:04 PM   #4653
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Right. The reporter insisted on putting words in Mulvaney’s mouth with his question. And then when Mulvaney failed to say the Bidens and 2020 were a part of the motivation, the media just pirouetted in sync with democrats to push the message that Mulvaney had admitted the quid pro quo that they’ve been trying to confirm since the whistleblower report was first announced without any shame over the fact that it was a completely different subject matter (corruption and the 2016 election rather than the Bidens and the 2020 election). Peak dishonesty/ignorance.
"He didnt say that"
"Okay, he did say that, but that's not what he meant" --< you are here.

Then comes

"Okay, he did say that and that's what he meant, but so what".

Trumper defenses really are boring, predictable, and low energy.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:04 PM   #4654
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The story on Schiff and his staffer meeting with Taylor is gaining traction...Schiff could be in deep doo doo. Media won't cover it though. This was a coup attempt, plain and simple.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:05 PM   #4655
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"He didnt say that"
"Okay, he did say that, but that's not what he meant" --< you are here.

Then comes

"Okay, he did say that and that's what he meant, but so what".

Trumper defenses really are boring, predictable, and low energy.
It's not really relevant either way. Legitimate quid pro quos happen all the time, however you want to call it. Mulvaney did fine. The facts are still not on the Dems' side, they are going to have to do better with their oncoming report on their secret witnesses.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:07 PM   #4656
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It's not really relevant either way. Legitimate quid pro quos happen all the time, however you want to call it. Mulvaney did fine. The facts are still not on the Dems' side, they are going to have to do better with their oncoming report on their secret witnesses.
Thank you for letting us know what idiots think.
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This was a coup attempt, plain and simple. Schiff is getting exposed. Guy should do time.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:16 PM   #4658
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Are you familiar with inchoate crimes?
Yeah. But the call doesn’t even get us there AFAICS. Even to say Trump was trying to suggest a quid pro quo requires us to make an inference that that’s the case. It’s not established by the text of the transcript.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:30 PM   #4659
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Kasich came out for impeachment.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:31 PM   #4660
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Yeah. But the call doesn’t even get us there AFAICS. Even to say Trump was trying to suggest a quid pro quo requires us to make an inference that that’s the case. It’s not established by the text of the transcript.
Hold up on the weapons we need you to do us a favor though is exactly that.
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Kasich came out for impeachment.
Shocking. What do David French and Steve Schmidt think?
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Hold up on the weapons we need you to do us a favor though is exactly that.
But he didn’t say that on the call, which is my point.
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Kasich came out for impeachment.
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But he didn’t say that on the call, which is my point.
He didn't have to for there to be a quid pro quo. The other party doesn't have to be made aware of it explicitly for it to exist.

Trump does make it clear that we've done plenty for Ukraine before asking for his favors. You'd agree with that, yes?
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He didn't have to for there to be a quid pro quo. The other party doesn't have to be made aware of it explicitly for it to exist.

Trump does make it clear that we've done plenty for Ukraine before asking for his favors. You'd agree with that, yes?
JFC.

Hillary isn't responsible for the Steele dossier because there is no proof she knew about it. /Donger

Trump definitely asked for a quid pro quo in the call even if the words aren't there. /Donger
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