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Old 05-28-2019, 06:00 AM  
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Trump, Obama and Congress will all be to blame for what happens with Iran

Trump, Obama and Congress will all be to blame for what happens with Iran
George F. Will
The Washington Post
May 24, 2019



Difficulties with Iran will recur regularly, like the oscillations of a sine wave, and the recent crisis — if such it was, or is — illustrates persistent U.S. intellectual and institutional failures, starting with this:

The Trump administration’s assumption, and that of many in Congress, is that if the president wants to wage war against a nation almost the size of Mexico (and almost four times larger than Iraq) and with 83 million people (more than double that of Iraq), there is no constitutional hindrance to him acting unilaterally.

In April, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was pressed during a Senate hearing to pledge that the administration would not regard the 2001 authorization for the use of military force against al-Qaeda and other nonstate actors responsible for 9/11 as authorization, 18 years later, for war against Iran. Pompeo laconically said he would “prefer to just leave that to lawyers.” Many conservatives who preen as “originalists” when construing all the Constitution’s provisions other than the one pertaining to war powers are unimpressed by the framers’ intention that Congress should be involved in initiating military force in situations other than repelling sudden attacks.

The Economist, which is measured in its judgments and sympathetic to the United States, tartly referred to the supposed evidence of Iran’s intentions to attack U.S. forces, allies or “interests” as “suspiciously unspecific.” Such skepticism, foreign and domestic, reflects 16-year-old memories of certitudes about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction: Remember Secretary of State Colin Powell spending days at the CIA receiving assurances about the evidence. There also are concerns about the impetuosity of a commander in chief who vows that military conflict would mean “the official end” of Iran, whatever that means.

U.S. policy makes easing economic sanctions against Iran contingent on Iran doing 12 things, most of which (e.g., halting development of ballistic missiles, withdrawing from Syria, ending support for allied groups) it almost certainly will not do. This U.S. policy is congruent with U.S. disregard of this truth: Any nation, however prostrate, poor or ramshackle, that ardently wants nuclear weapons can acquire them. Just four years after Hiroshima, the Soviet Union, which had been laid to waste by World War II, became a nuclear power. China was an impoverished peasant society in 1964 when it detonated a nuclear weapon. Pakistan’s per capita income was $470 in 1998 when it joined the nuclear club. In the more than a decade since North Korea acquired nuclear weapons, U.S. policy has pronounced this “unacceptable.” But U.S. behavior has been to accept it while unfurling the tattered flag of arms control — hoping to talk North Korea into giving up what it has devoted three decades to develop.

Fifteen years ago, Condoleezza Rice, then President George W. Bush’s national security adviser, said that an abstraction (the “international community”) would not “allow the Iranians to develop a nuclear weapon.” Allow? In 2012, President Barack Obama said: “Iran’s leaders should understand that I do not have a policy of containment. I have a policy to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.” If — probably when — that policy fails, we shall have a policy of containment, or a major war.

Trump’s national security apparatus might include a plucky cohort of regime changers who, undaunted by 18 discouraging years (Afghanistan, Iraq), cling to the fatal conceit that U.S. policies, such as sanctions, can manipulate the internal dynamics of societies such as Iran’s. In any case, today’s president is, in one respect, like his predecessor: Obama denied that hundreds of U.S. airstrikes that killed hundreds in Libya and helped to destroy a regime constituted involvement in “hostilities.”

Trump recently vetoed a congressional resolution that would have terminated U.S. involvement with Saudi Arabia and its allies in the war in Yemen, by the terms of the 1973 War Powers Resolution. It forbids the “introduction” of U.S. forces into “hostilities” for more than 90 days without congressional authorization. It defines “introduction” to include the assignment of U.S. military “to command, coordinate, participate in the movement of, or accompany the . . . military forces of any foreign country or government when such military forces are engaged . . . in hostilities.”

The U.S. military is providing intelligence, logistical support and, for a time, occasional in-flight refueling of Saudi bombers. This certainly constitutes involvement in the commanding, coordinating and movement of military forces. This is similarly certain: Whatever the United States does to Iran militarily will be decided unilaterally by this president. But his predecessor, and today’s Congress and previous Congresses, will be implicated in the absence of restraint by laws or norms.



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Old 05-28-2019, 07:21 AM   #2
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George assumes "whatever happens next" is going to be bad thus blame as opposed to assuming a positive outcome and shared credit.


So many people view all things as negative and feast on failures real or imagined.
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Old 05-28-2019, 11:33 AM   #3
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I really doubt that George. If something goes bad, we all know who will take the blame.
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Old 05-28-2019, 11:46 AM   #5
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Trump’s national security apparatus might include a plucky cohort of regime changers who, undaunted by 18 discouraging years (Afghanistan, Iraq), cling to the fatal conceit that U.S. policies, such as sanctions, can manipulate the internal dynamics of societies such as Iran’s




Kuckchise is on record saying he has “no regrets whatsoever” on his support for Iraq War. Then he posts this^^^^
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Old 05-28-2019, 12:15 PM   #6
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Trump’s national security apparatus might include a plucky cohort of regime changers who, undaunted by 18 discouraging years (Afghanistan, Iraq), cling to the fatal conceit that U.S. policies, such as sanctions, can manipulate the internal dynamics of societies such as Iran’s




Kuckchise is on record saying he has “no regrets whatsoever” on his support for Iraq War. Then he posts this^^^^
Are you nervous that your man might get us into a foreign war, after all his blustering during the campaign? How does that make you feel? No regrets whatsoever?
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Old 05-28-2019, 12:17 PM   #7
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Are you nervous that your man might get us into a foreign war, after all his blustering during the campaign? How does that make you feel? No regrets whatsoever?
If he does, he will be your man. (Nudges you mockingly)
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If he does, he will be your man. (Nudges you mockingly)
Why would he be mine? Supporting a different military campaign 20 years ago does not bind anyone into supporting this one.
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Why would he be mine? Supporting a different military campaign 20 years ago does not bind anyone into supporting this one.
That's far too complex for Binary Bitch to understand.
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[QUOTE=Prison Bitch;14285569]Trump’s national security apparatus might include a plucky cohort of regime changers who, undaunted by 18 discouraging years (Afghanistan, Iraq), cling to the fatal conceit that U.S. policies, such as sanctions, can manipulate the internal dynamics of societies such as Iran’s


I dispute this statement on one condition. "If said policies cause the population to revolt against their leaders and make the country change course". It could be a good or bad outcome, but to say the least "hand wringing" doesn't get us anywhere. Is 45 goading them, oh certainly. Will they do something, certainly. Will we be able to trace it to them, probably not. A former-military-talking head was commenting on the 1500 troops being deployed to the theater. He said "they were probably defensive in nature, although there would probably be some special ops folk that will do some things we'll never hear about".
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Old 05-28-2019, 02:26 PM   #13
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[B]Trump’s national security apparatus might include"If said policies cause the population to revolt against their leaders and make the country change course". It could be a good or bad outcome, but to say the least "hand wringing" doesn't get us anywhere. Is 45 goading them, oh certainly. Will they do something, certainly. Will we be able to trace it to them, probably not. A former-military-talking head was commenting on the 1500 troops being deployed to the theater. He said "they were probably defensive in nature, although there would probably be some special ops folk that will do some things we'll never hear about".

It’s really hard to wrap my head around us having 120,000 (or 1500, or whatever number you believe) troops sent to another country as “defensive”
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What if we tried nuking them (and Somalia while we're at it), and see how that works?
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