Let's talk about the Patriots

[cmh6476]

too soon?

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Brady played with a sprained MCL in 4 of those games.

Did he have a sprained MCL last time he visited Arrowhead? What happened that game?

[htismaqe]

Man, how great would it be to just click a button and boom!

"Tom Brady sprained his knee."

"The ran zone defense. ZONE DEFENSE!"

"Our defensive coordinator contracted amoebic dysentery. But only sparingly, for like 10 plays."

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

He had several bad throws because he was under pressure and because he had issues diagnosing the various looks we were giving him.

That’s not even close to true.

He found Hill and Hunt both wide open on what should have been touchdown passes. He just overshot both. It was nothing your defense did.

Plus, the Patriots had 0 sacks and only 3 hits. Mahomes had all day.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

That’s not even close to true.

He found Hill and Hunt both wide open on what should have been touchdown passes. He just overshot both. It was nothing your defense did.

Yep.

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Can you please provide your source for the above claim? We blitz less than nearly every team yet get more pressure than anyone.

Here are the numbers through week 17.

Overall pressures per snap:

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1077946886676455426

Pressures WITHOUT blitzing:

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1080961908075872258

Pressure on 3rd down:

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1082364802276700161

I can't post links correctly yet, so I had to post them like that. Just copy/paste them.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

That’s not even close to true.

He found Hill and Hunt both wide open on what should have been touchdown passes. He just overshot both. It was nothing your defense did.

Plus, the Patriots had 0 sacks and only 3 hits. Mahomes had all day.

But bro, cover 1 amoeba

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

That’s not even close to true.

He found Hill and Hunt both wide open on what should have been touchdown passes. He just overshot both. It was nothing your defense did.

Plus, the Patriots had 0 sacks and only 3 hits. Mahomes had all day.

He was pressured 17 times (35% of his snaps.)

Here is a breakdown of his performance under pressure that week:

The Patriots mixed things up in the front seven to confuse Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, and for the most part were successful with the strategy.

Mahomes was pressured on 35.1 percent of his dropbacks, which is solid, but it was his performance under pressure that might have won the Patriots the game.

The Pats were able to throw a few disguised blitzes at the young Mahomes, and as he did in weeks before, he failed to reset the protection or recognize where the rush was coming from, and it forced some errant throws and short completions.

Here’s a good example. The Patriots walk six defenders up to the line of scrimmage that appear to be blitzing on the play. However, three of those defenders end up showing blitz before retreating into coverage, making this a three-man rush. Mahomes is fooled by the disguise and doesn’t slide the protection to account for Trey Flowers on the backside who, as a result, gets a free run at the quarterback. Mahomes thought he needed extra blockers in the middle of the line to block the blitzers, but the Patriots fool him here, and the edge force from both directions ends up forcing Mahomes to get rid of the football for a short gain to Tyreek Hill.

clnsmedia.com/advanced-stats-report-patriots-chiefs/

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Here are the numbers through week 17.

Overall pressures per snap:

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1077946886676455426

Pressures WITHOUT blitzing:

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1080961908075872258

Pressure on 3rd down:

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1082364802276700161

I can't post links correctly yet, so I had to post them like that. Just copy/paste them.

This is really interesting. Can you explain how you seem to get more pressure on the QB yet we ranked 1st in sacks and you ranked near 30th? Did all of those practices with Brady create a QB Deferential Complex and your linemen were too gentle?

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

This is really interesting. Can you explain how you seem to get more pressure on the QB yet we ranked 1st in sacks and you ranked near 30th? Did all of those practices with Brady create a QB Deferential Complex and your linemen were too gentle?

Pressure % as of late Dec

https://buffalonews.com/2018/12/19/b...game-vs-lions/

The NEP do generate pressure but lets gets real. Pats don't have the closing talent KC does. Houston, Jones, Ford. Etc....and they don't draft those kind of players either.

Additionally Pats did a lot of blitzing this year. More than Ive every seen. 35% or so IIRC so the pressure is not coming from the d-line. Its coming from Van Noy, Hightower, etc.

Lastly a BB defense is not about sacks and never will be. Edge control and gap integrity, and controlling the pocket are the priority.

Keep an eye on Adam Butler DT. I think he has been unleashed.

[Chief_N_Bama]

The point is, even if we accept that both teams pass rush are statistically equivalent, KC still has a decided advantage because 1) the game is at Arrowhead and 2) Mahomes has performed considerably better under pressure than Brady has this year.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

Pressure % as of late Dec

https://buffalonews.com/2018/12/19/b...game-vs-lions/

The NEP do generate pressure but lets gets real. Pats don't have the closing talent KC does. Houston, Jones, Ford. Etc....and they don't draft those kind of players either.

Additionally Pats did a lot of blitzing this year. More than Ive every seen. 35% or so IIRC so the pressure is not coming from the d-line. Its coming from Van Noy, Hightower, etc.

Lastly a BB defense is not about sacks and never will be. Edge control and gap integrity, and controlling the pocket are the priority.

Keep an eye on Adam Butler DT. I think he has been unleashed.

You guys really should have kept Chandler Jones around. You can always count on the Patriots to play disciplined football but the talent on the front 7 is pretty low compared to previous years. Hightower and Flowers seem to be your only true difference makers. Your secondary is ****ing amazing, so kudos for that.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The ravens run it better than anyone. Mahomes was frustrated at times but he was more successful than most qbs against it. Seahawks do it too. So mahomes and Reid have both seen it and I'm sure are addressing it. But even if mahomes misreads it, he's lethal at reading and reacting to things post snap, and improvising out of it. It's a factor. Maybe it impacts a few plays. But it's not some front that worries me as game changing.

This is why Mahomes is so good. Even if the play goes south, the defense tricks him, or whatever, he can make something from nothing with his arm better than anyone. And he attacks the entire field in these situations regardless of where he is on the field.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

You guys really should have kept Chandler Jones around. You can always count on the Patriots to play disciplined football but the talent on the front 7 is pretty low compared to previous years. Hightower and Flowers seem to be your only true difference makers. Your secondary is ****ing amazing, so kudos for that.

Agree- The front 7 talent is not what it was.

Chandler Jones was an economic decision but also him freaking out on pure THC and showing up at the Foxboro, MA police station 1/2 naked the week before we played y'all in the 2015 playoff game didn't help his case to stay.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong but I understand it.

With that said his departure allowed the Pats to sign a bunch of players and maintain cap flexibility. Since we won in 2016, in the SB in 2017 and here we are again in the AFCCG its hard to argue with the logic.

[htismaqe]

I agree with the weatherman. Jones was talented but it's hard to keep guys like that on the team. I mean, he was potentially unstable. It ends up looking worse in hindsight but at the time, the Patriots did what they had to do IMO.

[Yehoodi]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

You guys really should have kept Chandler Jones around. You can always count on the Patriots to play disciplined football but the talent on the front 7 is pretty low compared to previous years. Hightower and Flowers seem to be your only true difference makers. Your secondary is ****ing amazing, so kudos for that.

It would of been nice to keep Jones and I would of like it. At the same time he was going to costs lots of money. We had McCourty, Hightower and a few others to pay at the time and you can only keep so many playmakers.

I do hope however the Pats do what we need to do to keep Flowers. We will see what happens.