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06-16-2021, 03:47 PM | #121 |
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1. They probably want Wharton on the field for some packages with Reed, Jones and Clark as they are our best 4 pass rushers 2. They probably have some rush designs set up with Jones at DE that they think will be a nice wrinkle 3. And most importantly as you said a few posts ago:
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06-16-2021, 07:44 PM | #125 |
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I swear to god, man, some of you guys act like we're going to go 6-11 and our coaching staff is a bunch of morons.
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Innovation tends to breed success, even if only in the short term. If you’ve got a coaching staff that seeks to make the team unique in some way, you’re usually doing it right. The Chiefs are probably the best in the NFL in terms of overall talent of interior penetrators. Reed and Jones are both top 5, Wharton has a lot of promise, and Saunders could also be great if he can stay healthy. They’re being innovative with how to get all these guys on the field. How could anybody possibly be a sour puss about this? |
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There have been a fair number of guards that have played decent tackle over the course of NFL history. That's why a number of guards have done it over the years and virtually zero DTs have effectively done the move to DE. I can't believe I'm typing this on a football message board to a group of men who follow football as a primary hobby, but 3-4 DE and 4-3 DE are completely different positions that require completely different skillsets. Namely: 3-4 DEs primarily match up against guards. They're essentially tackles. Therefore they can afford to be big bodied bears because you're fighting in tighter spaces, which puts less of a premium on the bendy kind of speed-to-power mechanics that you need to challenge an NFL tackle's outside shoulder. Instead, you need to be able to win in the phone booth -- which Chris Jones is a Top 3 talent at doing. To directly answer your question: He is incredibly strong and incredibly quick for a guy his size with stupid long arms, but those talents could very well dwindle against NFL tackles who are bigger, longer, quicker, and stronger. Tackles are better football players than guards. You beat them by threatening their outside shoulder and then countering them into oblivion. Jones cannot threaten their outside shoulder -- he's never had the job of bending the edge or converting speed to power. And since tackles will simply not worry about their outside shoulder, they can convert their combat with Jones into a phone booth battle they're built to win. Jones will win some snaps, I'm sure, but the percentage will be so much lower on the edge against tackles than it will be along the interior against inferior guards who have no chance against him. Jarran Reed helps some, but he is a different kind of passrusher. He can push the pocket and eventually swallow up plays if his teammates do their jobs well. He's also stupendous against the run. But Jones can end plays in the first 2.5 seconds with a great rush. I'm of the opinion that when you have a guy on your team who is the best in the league at a really important position, you don't move him to another position. But that seems to be what we're doing, at least part time. Time will tell, I suppose. |
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I'm not remotely sure if you are properly processing the points I'm making here. Like, I'm literally not sure if you're reading my posts or if you're scanning them and hitting reply. You say: "of COURSE they moved Kpass in -- why is this news!?" and then you gas on a bit. I literallly did not say it was news, I was simply describing the system that we're sliding Jones into, in order to set the foundation for my perspective. So I literally don't know where your exasperation is coming from on that point -- or on many of your points. Tell you what, it's OTAs and we won't know Jones' role until the snaps are live. So let's start with the basics here. What do you think Jones' role is going to be? Because we're just reading tea leaves at this point. I think we're looking at him playing roughly 35-45% of his snaps at DE on the strong side. The rest will be in his usual interior habitat. Do you agree with that prediction, or not? |
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Until one of the young guys like Danna turns into a solid starting DE where it becomes a hindrance to take him off the field, we should absolutely be exploring these kinds of alignments. If it works, it has potential to really be a nightmare for OCs. |
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Anyway, I don't think this is a roll of the dice. Jones has shown up to camp in a "Spags DE" bodyshape, per reports. I think we're legit putting our eggs in this basket, and I do think it's been a plan for a while, which is why we didn't make a bigtime push for a DE in the draft or free agency. I think they're banking on this working, so I don't think this is a mere molehill. Let me ask you what I asked Chris in a previous post: what do you think we're looking at here, as we read the OTA tea leaves? My general opinion is that we're looking at Jones playing strongside DE in the base roughly 35-45% of his snaps. You? |
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06-17-2021, 01:22 AM | #133 | |
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And I'm not worried about Jones and his "Spags DE" body shape. He can still easily play most of his snaps on the interior if need be. What weight was he playing at last year? What's he going to play at this year? They're not going to ask him to drop 30 lbs or something ridiculous like that. And again... if the Chiefs decide that Jones at DE just isn't working out, they have the entire regular season to make that decision to just keep him at DT. |
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06-17-2021, 01:26 AM | #134 | |
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Which, personally, I think is a big deal. If he's throwing a third of his snaps away at DE, which I fear he will be, then we may have issues getting a rush going. Time will tell, though. I don't want to put the cart before the horse here. |
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06-17-2021, 06:11 AM | #135 |
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Why all the worry? Worst case scenario you move Jones back to DT. No harm done.
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