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Old 09-05-2019, 03:47 PM  
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I think I'm almost ready to join the Yang gang?

I was kind of waiting for this Democratic monstrosity field to winnow itself down a bit, but I heard this guy today on the On Point radio show (broadcast on NPR) and he is making tons more sense to me than anyone else up there.

this was the high point of the interview for me:

"It was Donald Trump's victory in 2016, where I'd spent the previous six years running a nonprofit, Venture for America, that I'd founded that helped create thousands of jobs in places like Detroit, St. Louis, Cleveland, Birmingham, New Orleans. And I was stunned by what I saw in the rest of the country where automation had decimated communities, had eliminated 4 million manufacturing jobs in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. And then Donald Trump won in 2016, which to me was a giant red flag. It was a, 'Stop what you're doing. We just elected a narcissist, reality TV star as our president.' And tens of millions of Americans were desperate enough to think that that was the right move. And to me, it was clear that this is the manifestation of this economic transformation that we're in the midst of, that, for whatever reason, our politicians are not discussing — the elimination of these 4 million manufacturing jobs will now migrate to retail. And people who are listening to this are seeing Main Street stores close around them every single day. Call centers, fast food and then eventually hit truck driving, and being a trucker is the most common job in 29 states. There are 3 1/2 million truck drivers in the U.S.

"And so I had no intention of running for president at any point. My wife laughs about it because in some ways I make a lousy politician. But Trump wins. I say, 'OK, this is a straight automation story — that we're in the third inning of the fourth industrial revolution. No one's talking about it. We're scapegoating immigrants for problems that immigrants have next to nothing to do with.' When you're in that position, you say, 'Well, how can I, on wake up America to the fact that this is a huge transformation we're in the midst of?' Then we need to start addressing and start solving the problems in the right timeframe, given that we're five to 10 years away from robot trucks hitting the highways."



He is correct about this transformation and that no one else is talking about it because it's almost too big a subject for anyone to take on. But he's right this is happening to us nationwide and we aren't acknowledging the reality of it. Just letting Amazon and Google sort it out for the rest of us may not result in the Country we are hoping to see in 50 years.

I mean he's at 3%, so probably he's got no shot, but He has already lasted longer than some much bigger party names. What do you guys think?
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:52 AM   #151
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The way we're using our military today threatens our national defense, but most of all our liberties here at home. Your position is thoroughly statist and as such not at all in the conservative tradition of governing.
Thanks for explaining the isolationist perspective.
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:46 AM   #152
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:09 AM   #153
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I had hope for Yang, then he drastically changed many of his policy positions. The worst offense being his drastic change on guns. F him.
I missed it what did he say?
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:23 AM   #154
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Seems to me the only way UBI would work is by replacing all other welfare programs with it. I mean, 1000 a month is like 350B per year, and we spend like 450B per year on welfare programs (not including SS and medicare\medicaid). So on the surface it seems to be a money saver. But you'd have to eliminate all other welfare to make it work...and I don't see that happening. And I'm just not comfortable with another money give away...
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Old 10-14-2019, 10:30 PM   #155
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Seems to me the only way UBI would work is by replacing all other welfare programs with it. I mean, 1000 a month is like 350B per year, and we spend like 450B per year on welfare programs (not including SS and medicare\medicaid). So on the surface it seems to be a money saver. But you'd have to eliminate all other welfare to make it work...and I don't see that happening. And I'm just not comfortable with another money give away...
His plan was that current welfare recipients could choose between their current benefits or UBI, but not both.
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Old 10-28-2019, 03:03 PM   #156
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I'm a conservative — and I could live with Andrew Yang as president
Karol Markowicz, Opinion Contributor Oct 26, 2019, 8:46 AM
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If primary elections were decided on likability, Andrew Yang would be running away with the 2020 Democratic primary. Yang's Freedom Dividend, a universal basic income proposal, isn't perfect, but it's preferable to a lot of other plans proposed by Democrats such as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Yang is genuine and does not come off as condescending to conservatives and Trump voters. Karol Markowicz is a writer in Brooklyn, New York.

The presidential candidate you'd most like to have a beer with is typically the one who wins in the head-to-head general election. But the candidate you'd most like to have a beer with does not necessarily win a crowded primary. If that were the case, Andrew Yang would be the runaway favorite in the Democratic field.


Affable, jokey, and armed with numbers and statistics, Yang has managed to make all four Democratic debates, a feat that plenty of established candidates have failed to accomplish. He's used his time in a meticulous way, banging the drum for his key proposal: universal basic income, or, as he calls it, the "Freedom Dividend."

Yang's plan isn't especially compatible with conservatism, and yet he frequently gets praise and approval from people on the right. His personality is a big draw. In an especially divided time, he doesn't lob the insults that many of his fellow candidates do nor talk down to voters who aren't part of the Democratic-primary constituency.


Frankly, Yang's plan is mostly absurd. He's correctly concerned that many jobs are being replaced by computers and robots, but his doomsday predictions are somewhat farfetched. He predicts a mass replacement of human workers by robots will happen far sooner than most experts predict.

Yang points out again and again that the most common job in a majority of states is "truck driver" and warns self-driving trucks are coming. He says it will cause "riots in the street."


To counter this coming disaster, Yang's Freedom Dividend would give every single adult American $1,000 a month.

This plainly makes no sense. Those truck drivers who are imminently about to be replaced make about $50,000 to $80,000 a year, according to Yang. What is $12,000 going to do for them?

But it's not meant to replace income, Yang says: It's supposed to supplement it. The frequently asked questions on his website about the Freedom Dividend answers the question about whether people will still work like this: "In our plan, each adult would receive only $12,000 a year. This is barely enough to live on in many places and certainly not enough to afford much in the way of experiences or advancement. To get ahead meaningfully, people will still need to get out there and work."

Work which jobs? We were just told that the truck drivers would be summarily fired when self-driving trucks became the standard and would riot in the street. And as Yang himself said on the "Joe Rogan Experience" podcast in February, most of these drivers are high school educated. Yang said they didn't love school 25 years ago; they're not about to go and get recertified for some other job that probably doesn't exist.

While Yang's signature plan may not pass muster, the proposal is mostly irrelevant to his draw.

What Yang has — which so many of the other Democratic candidates lack — is a real perspective that the US is not actually divided into left and right. Yang isn't on the stage to take from some people and give to others. Even his UBI would pay the same $1,000 to everyone, whether they need it or not. He's not there to sow resentment or to insult half the country.

It's this that makes him so likable and such an important presence on the stage. When Beto O'Rourke called Elizabeth Warren "punitive" during the last debate, he could have been talking to any one of the other candidates.

Yes, Warren's wealth tax takes the idea further than the others, but each leading Democratic candidate has a clear group of supporters who get the majority of the benefit from the candidate's major plans. When Bernie Sanders says he wants to cancel all student debt, it's clear that it's a gimme for his young fan base. It's "tuition should be free" not "electric bills should be free" or any number of things that would have an effect on a wide variety of people.


By contrast, Yang is trying to reach all types of people. When speaking with Rogan, Yang told the story of Dennis the trucker in Iowa, telling him that he "doesn't feel that Democrats care about people like me." Yang seems as if he cares about all of us.

Another part of the appeal is Yang says things that Democrats are not really allowed to say.

"The media is not being honest about all the economic drivers," Yang told Rogan. "They're blaming racism, Russia, Facebook, the FBI. And if you look at the voter-district data on the district-by-district basis, there's a straight line-up between the adoption of industrial robots in that voting district and the movement toward Trump."

And while Yang's plans might be far-fetched, he's also standing alongside candidates such as Sanders and Warren, who want to scrap the entire private health-insurance industry in support of their "Medicare for All" plan. Suddenly, $1,000 per person per month doesn't seem crazy.


For conservatives, if we have to pick an expensive, ridiculous plan, Yang's seems like the best of the bunch. For most people it would translate to keeping more of their own money. For the rest it would replace certain welfare programs.

And he doesn't seem to hate us. That's the biggest plus of all.

This is an opinion column. The thoughts expressed are those of the author(s).

https://www.businessinsider.com/andr...anders-2019-10
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Old 10-28-2019, 03:08 PM   #157
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Old 10-28-2019, 03:45 PM   #158
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She was born in the USSR. I doubt she understands American conservativism very well of which this editorial of her's reveals. Even British and European conservatives are different from American conservatives.

However, her twitter is spot-on about Obama and Bush being booed at a baseball game. You were the one who posted a video on that.

So here you go. I will only link it because it belongs in the other thread.

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Old 10-28-2019, 03:46 PM   #159
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He's got the whole transformative change / outsider thing going which is nice. I'm not sure he's up for a full election cycle, and I kind of just assumed he was going to fade away quickly, but as long as he's stuck around he's probably worth learning about.

I mean, he's not Warren.
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Old 10-28-2019, 03:51 PM   #160
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He's got the whole transformative change / outsider thing going which is nice. I'm not sure he's up for a full election cycle, and I kind of just assumed he was going to fade away quickly, but as long as he's stuck around he's probably worth learning about.

I mean, he's not Warren.
I'm not sure if you mean that as a positive or a negative?
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He's got a better chance of being elected our next President than the coffee cup sitting on my desk does.

Just wanted to chime in with some positivity.
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I'm not sure if you mean that as a positive or a negative?
If warren were the democratic nominee I would vote for her and dedicate time and money to helping her win, because her opponent would be trump. Unless of course trump is removed, then her opponent would be pence, who is not as bad as trump but still dreadful.

But, I'm not a fan of warren. She's built a brand on having a plan for everything, but her plans for fairly shallow. Specifically her healthcare plan is shocking thin on detail for someone who wants to throw 150M people off their health insurance and onto Medicare. But also she does a lot of othering, which I don't like. We all do that sometimes, and trump does it a lot - with mexicans, muslims, democrats, the press. By othering I mean saying "those people are bad people with mean hearts who are not like us, and not on our side. They are to blame for badness etc."

Her othering is focused on billionaires, big companies, big tech, health insurance, etc. but it's still kind of gross. I don't care that othering worked for trump, I want someone who will lead the whole country, stay above that kind of petty shit etc. I like that about Buttigieg, and Yang seems to have that going for him too.
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He's got a better chance of being elected our next President than the coffee cup sitting on my desk does.

Just wanted to chime in with some positivity.
He's a long shot, but it's still pretty early in the game.

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The Oct. 12-14 CNN/Opinion Research poll finds 49% of voters supporting New York Sen. Hillary Clinton to win next year's election, and 47% supporting Rudy Giuliani.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/102277/...ober-2007.aspx

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Clinton beats Trump, 49% to 39%, head-to-head. She would be neck-and-neck with other GOP contenders -- including former tech CEO Carly Fiorina (45% to Clinton's 44%), retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson (46% to Clinton's 45%), former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (44% to Clinton's 45%).

https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/polit...oll/index.html
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If warren were the democratic nominee I would vote for her and dedicate time and money to helping her win, because her opponent would be trump. Unless of course trump is removed, then her opponent would be pence, who is not as bad as trump but still dreadful.

But, I'm not a fan of warren. She's built a brand on having a plan for everything, but her plans for fairly shallow. Specifically her healthcare plan is shocking thin on detail for someone who wants to throw 150M people off their health insurance and onto Medicare. But also she does a lot of othering, which I don't like. We all do that sometimes, and trump does it a lot - with mexicans, muslims, democrats, the press. By othering I mean saying "those people are bad people with mean hearts who are not like us, and not on our side. They are to blame for badness etc."

Her othering is focused on billionaires, big companies, big tech, health insurance, etc. but it's still kind of gross. I don't care that othering worked for trump, I want someone who will lead the whole country, stay above that kind of petty shit etc. I like that about Buttigieg, and Yang seems to have that going for him too.
Ok I mostly agree. Plus he doesn't have Warren's closet skeletons (yet, anyway, the spotlight isn't fully on him though).
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