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Old 09-19-2014, 09:52 AM  
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Let's talk WRs

Who's your top ranked receiver right now?

For me, the most pro-ready and best all around prospect at WR is Amari Cooper. He would come in and immediately start across from Bowe and eventually replace him as the primary WR.

What's wrong with Sammy Coates?

The guy has all of the tools in the world, I would equate him to Vernon Davis but at the WR position, but he hasn't produced much at all this season. Coates isn't even close to being his team's leading receiver so I'm not going to blame it on the scheme. Physically, Coates looks like a top 10 pick but his production is that of a mid to late rounder. Where would you take him?

Any thoughts on Coates' teammate, D'haquille Williams?

There is a massive difference in production between he and Sammy Coates so far this year; yes, this could be entirely due to Coates being injured from the Arkansas game but Coates only caught one pass in that game and dropped a possible TD pass despite playing 52 snaps against the Razorbacks. Williams is a JUCO transfer with good size, speed, and explosiveness, though not on the same level as Coates as far as pure physical ability goes. Is he a potential #1 WR or just a 2 at best?

Does DGB declare? If so, do you even dare to touch him given his off-field issues?

Despite not playing this season, I think that there is a real possibility that DGB does declare for the 2015 NFL draft; he just doesn't seem like the type of person who would be willing to go through another year of college over getting paid as a pro athlete. If he does declare, what round would you be willing to take a risk on him? The guy has had problems with at least two key NFL issues, abuse of women and weed. DGB has top 5 talent but an off-field reputation that would have him banned from the league if he had committed those acts as a Pro.

Do Jaelen Strong, Kevin White, or Devante Parker have enough speed to be potential #1 WRs? If not, are their other gifts good enough for them to be close to what Larry Fitzgerald has been in the league?

Is Stefon Diggs actually that fast? When I watch him, I don't see the same dimension of speed that guys like Jackson, Wallace, etc have. I'll be very curious to see what he actually runs at the Combine.

Who are you guys keeping your eyes on this year at the WR position?
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Old 12-25-2014, 06:38 PM   #136
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I'm liking West Virginia's Kevin White more and more.

I'm thinking he might be there when the Chiefs select. They are going to have a lot of options available to them I think.
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Old 12-26-2014, 11:37 AM   #137
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I'm liking West Virginia's Kevin White more and more.

I'm thinking he might be there when the Chiefs select. They are going to have a lot of options available to them I think.
Yes.

Perfect.
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Old 12-26-2014, 01:37 PM   #138
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I've really just set my sights on Justin Hardy. Reminds me of Odell Beckham. Really just an amazing player. I'm putting him in round 1, despite the pundits rankings. The guy is a serious talent. He's my Jordan Matthews for this year... I'll pound the ****ing table all offseason for the Chiefs to draft this kid... then they won't and they'll regret it. Either way, I have him firmly entrenched in my mind as a guy the Chiefs must consider at the top of the draft. He's perfect for this offense.
I've been setting my sights on Hardy a lot more lately as well. He reminds me a bit of Beckham as well. not quite as good, but they're around the same size, Hardy can make those ridiculous one handed catches, Both very quick. I think Beckham was a little more polished, and a little faster/all around athlete, but Hardys a great prospect.
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Old 12-27-2014, 10:10 AM   #139
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The first time I saw Justin Hardy play, I thought Lynn Swann. Not blazing fast but great agility, body control, incredible competitor, and catches everything he gets a hand on.
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:51 PM   #140
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:26 AM   #141
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Which FA wide receivers are expected to hit the open market and potentially end up with a new team?

I'm assuming guys like Thomas, Bryant, Maclin and even Royal will be signed by their current organizations. But what about guys like Harvin, Crabtree, Torrey Smith or Hakeem Nicks?

Crabtree, Smith and Nicks are just about as good as Bowe, but cheaper. I read Jet's might do a complete overhaul and let Harvin go, after a year in NY and being dropped by the Jets his price may be down. Would be great to trade Bowe out for a less expensive option.
If you want a #1 WR, you are going to have to draft him. No team, in today's NFL, is going to allow an elite/true #1 WR to walk unless they have serious character issues and you wouldn't want them on your team anyways if that is the case (TO).
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:54 AM   #142
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Josh Harper will be praised for his mechanics at the combine and pro day... will be had by 4th round i predict.. loved watching him live
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Old 12-29-2014, 02:40 AM   #143
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Not too big of a Harper fan, tbh. I follow Fresno State a bit because I'm from the Central Valley, but I don't think that he is anything special. Dime a dozen type of WR in the NFL.
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Old 12-29-2014, 03:51 AM   #144
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If you want a #1 WR, you are going to have to draft him. No team, in today's NFL, is going to allow an elite/true #1 WR to walk unless they have serious character issues and you wouldn't want them on your team anyways if that is the case (TO).
You are 100% correct here. I do wonder how important a "#1" wr is in a reid system though. I think it would work extremely well with just a bunch of pretty good guys.
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Old 12-29-2014, 06:46 AM   #145
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You are 100% correct here. I do wonder how important a "#1" wr is in a reid system though. I think it would work extremely well with just a bunch of pretty good guys.
Reid spent high draft picks/on #1 types with Jeremy Maclin and Desean Jackson. Let's not act like he undervalued the position.
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Old 12-29-2014, 07:56 AM   #146
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Reid spent high draft picks/on #1 types with Jeremy Maclin and Desean Jackson. Let's not act like he undervalued the position.
I never said, or acted like he undervalued the position. Reids fielded many of teams that finished out top 5 in the league in ypg, and points per game, with guys like Todd Pinkston and Kevin Curtis as the #1 WR on the team. The ball gets spread around a lot. I dont think its necessary to have a true elite #1 WR. But I do think it's necessary to have a group of pretty good guys who can all generate YAC. Obviously having an elite guy at the position is going to help, but Reids proven he can have success without one.

What is a #1 or #1 type wr anyways? Can anyone give me a definition? Maybe i have a different definition.
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I never said, or acted like he undervalued the position. Reids fielded many of teams that finished out top 5 in the league in ypg, and points per game, with guys like Todd Pinkston and Kevin Curtis as the #1 WR on the team. The ball gets spread around a lot. I dont think its necessary to have a true elite #1 WR. But I do think it's necessary to have a group of pretty good guys who can all generate YAC. Obviously having an elite guy at the position is going to help, but Reids proven he can have success without one.

What is a #1 or #1 type wr anyways? Can anyone give me a definition? Maybe i have a different definition.
My idea of a true #1 is someone who can win anywhere on the field and is almost impossible to stop 1 on 1. The Johnsons, Jones, Green, Fitzgerald in his prime, Marshall, Vincent Jackson in his prime, Bryant, Thomas, etc.
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My idea of a true #1 is someone who can win anywhere on the field and is almost impossible to stop 1 on 1. The Johnsons, Jones, Green, Fitzgerald in his prime, Marshall, Vincent Jackson in his prime, Bryant, Thomas, etc.
Those are the exact kind of guys who are #1's to me. Big body guys who can Catch 50/50 balls, out body you in the endzone, and can also burn you deep.

I really don't think a guy like that is necessary for a reid offense to thrive. Actually thats more of a fact not really just what I think lol. He's only had a guy like that once, for a few seasons.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:55 AM   #149
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Those are the exact kind of guys who are #1's to me. Big body guys who can Catch 50/50 balls, out body you in the endzone, and can also burn you deep.

I really don't think a guy like that is necessary for a reid offense to thrive. Actually thats more of a fact not really just what I think lol. He's only had a guy like that once, for a few seasons.
Right, he doesn't "need" a WR like that but when he had one, he got all the way to the Superbowl. It's not necessary in Reid's offense, but it will sure as hell help make things easier for him so that he doesn't always have to scheme everything open which can get stale as we saw this season.
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Right, he doesn't "need" a WR like that but when he had one, he got all the way to the Superbowl. It's not necessary in Reid's offense, but it will sure as hell help make things easier for him so that he doesn't always have to scheme everything open which can get stale as we saw this season.
Thats very true, it certainly never hurts to have a guy like that.
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