Why does everybody hate Nickelback?

[Frazod]

They're after my time, and as far as I know I've only ever heard one of their songs. Which is frankly kind of catchy.

But comparing any disliked band to Nickelback seems to be the ultimate musical insult, and any time they are mentioned people seem to pile on like the crowd that wanted to burn the witch in Holy Grail.

What did they do? Does everybody hate their music that much? Are they dicks to their fans?

I need somebody not musically stuck in the decade between '75 and '85 to enlighten me.

[Bump]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Both Aenema and Lateralus are amazing, I got into Tool during Aenema in High School, learning 46 and 2 on bass, so I'm always going to be partial to that album. 46 and 2 is my favorite song, but give me Ticks and Leeches anyday of the week as a very close second.

I love all of the Tool albums TBH. But when I listen to Tool, I actually strongly prefer their live shit off of youtube (as long as the sound quality is good). Their live performances sound way better than the studio recordings if you ask me.

Like for example

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's why I don't really like Nirvana - Kurt Cobain played the guitar like Lil' Wayne, which is an insult to guitar players everywhere.

The simplicity is part of the original allure imo. I've lost countless hours playing basic, simple Nirvana songs.

Come as you are, smells like teen spirit.....easy to learn and fun to play.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The simplicity is part of the original allure imo. I've lost countless hours playing basic, simple Nirvana songs.

Come as you are, smells like teen spirit.....easy to learn and fun to play.

I'm not a guitarist but I thought the whole allure of Nirvana and grunge in general was the whole "do it yourself" ethos. Sort of the second coming of punk.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The simplicity is part of the original allure imo. I've lost countless hours playing basic, simple Nirvana songs.

Come as you are, smells like teen spirit.....easy to learn and fun to play.

Like every other pop song out there. It's just not for me.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I used to think Avril Lavigne was sexy back in the day....although I was in HS then.

She hasn't aged too well...not ugly...just doesn't have that teenie rocker chick look anymore that I liked then.

Music was always crap.

She was hot AF.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by Frazod

**** grunge, and double-**** Nirvana. The best thing Kurt Cobain ever did was blow his ****ing head off.

Well, I can't stand his music but Cobain's suicide ensured that he became a musical martyr which means he will be around forever.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The simplicity is part of the original allure imo. I've lost countless hours playing basic, simple Nirvana songs.

Come as you are, smells like teen spirit.....easy to learn and fun to play.

Originally Posted by Frosty

I'm not a guitarist but I thought the whole allure of Nirvana and grunge in general was the whole "do it yourself" ethos. Sort of the second coming of punk.

There's a distinction between passion demonstrated through technical proficiency and passion demonstrated through emotion, and either has the potential to move and inspire you, or leave you cold, depending on what you value.

A good deal of guitarsturbators leave me cold, even if I appreciate their skill.
And a good deal of sloppy garage bands inspire me with their exuberance.

[KCUnited]

Yeah, there's a TON of unnecessary, ego driven bullshit that bogs down genres **cough metal cough**. I lean towards the metal/punk crossover stuff that strips out the one upping, insecure standing within the fanbase, bullshit that gets labeled as "technical" and just stays focused on the fury. Anyone that's been in a band knows it and that's how weird solo parts turn a good 3 minute song into a 4.5 minute mess that people skip to the next track before it ends and usually why the first 2 albums of a discography are the best.

[lewdog]

Frazod, what are some of your favorite bands?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

There's a distinction between passion demonstrated through technical proficiency and passion demonstrated through emotion, and either has the potential to move and inspire you, or leave you cold, depending on what you value.

This is absolutely true. Technical proficiency can only take one so far. That's why I much prefer Vai to Malmsteen, for example.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

A good deal of guitarsturbators leave me cold, even if I appreciate their skill.

Yep.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And a good deal of sloppy garage bands inspire me with their exuberance.

We part ways here. It's just impossible for me to enjoy music where they're literally beating on their instruments without any thought to musical construction. I just can't do it. I guess I'm a snob.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Yeah, there's a TON of unnecessary, ego driven bullshit that bogs down genres **cough metal cough**. I lean towards the metal/punk crossover stuff that strips out the one upping, insecure standing within the fanbase, bullshit that gets labeled as "technical" and just stays focused on the fury. Anyone that's been in a band knows it and that's how weird solo parts turn a good 3 minute song into a 4.5 minute mess that people skip to the next track before it ends and usually why the first 2 albums of a discography are the best.

As member of several metal communities, the elitism is absolutely present. But I will say this - it isn't confined to just metal. I see it the rap scene too. I think it has to do with "hardcore" genres where people are really invested in the artists. Not so much with pop or country.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

As member of several metal communities, the elitism is absolutely present. But I will say this - it isn't confined to just metal. I see it the rap scene too. I think it has to do with "hardcore" genres where people are really invested in the artists. Not so much with pop or country.

I think within punk and hardcore, which aren't focused on instrument mastery and technical skill that metal is (speed of drumming being the exception), the ego competition becomes more about who can keep it the "realist". That's why 90% of their songs are about "selling out" and "betrayed our friendship" because someone in the band actually got a real job and can't make practice at 1:00am on a Tuesday.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

I think within punk and hardcore, which aren't focused on instrument mastery and technical skill that metal is (speed of drumming being the exception), the ego competition becomes more about who can keep it the "realist". That's why 90% of their songs are about "selling out" and "betrayed our friendship" because someone in the band actually got a real job and can't make practice at 1:00am on a Tuesday.

Exactly. It's not always about musicianship. In fact, a lot of the times it's about things like you mention.

90% of the elitism I see in my main metalhead group is because I like metalcore. It's not about technical proficiency, it's that black and death metal guys think metalcore is for girls.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Frazod, what are some of your favorite bands?

My musical likes and dislikes were solidified in the mid/late 70s. My favorites are the Eagles, Boston, Queen, Pink Floyd, Van Halen, AC/DC, Journey, Def Leppard, Fleetwood Mac, Cheap Trick, and other bands of that era. From the 80s, I picked up bands like Night Ranger, Poison, Cinderella and GNR.

I hate grunge. I hated it more than I hated disco.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We part ways here. It's just impossible for me to enjoy music where they're literally beating on their instruments without any thought to musical construction. I just can't do it. I guess I'm a snob.

Not even, say The Ramones?

I mean, I'm not a Ramones superfan, but I appreciate what they did and why they did it, short powerful fast ditties in response to the meandering studiobound math major opuses of the late 70s.



Also, since people are ragging on Nirvana specifically, and Teen Spirit ultra-specifically, to my point I always thought that the star of that video was Dave Grohl's knees and elbows. His contortions wailing on the drums and the way the cinematographer framed it, is the essence of garage band passion, reminds you of Animal on drums in The Muppets.