Welp. Looks like we need a RB.

[KC Hawks]

So who looks good in this upcoming draft?

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You obviously didn't watch the AFCCG, when Williams has a GREAT game.

There was no drop-off in the offense after Hunt went out. The offense changed a bit but it was still every bit as good.

It's not 1995 anymore.

Williams was catching the ball out of the backfield, BIG DEAL. We need a back that is gonna run between the tackles and gain big yards like Kareem did imo. Because there's gonna be times when we won't be able to just rely on Pat's arm. And when that happens a top class run game is what can get you over the line.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Williams was catching the ball out of the backfield, BIG DEAL. We need a back that is gonna run between the tackles and gain big yards like Kareem did imo. Because there's gonna be times when we won't be able to just rely on Pat's arm. And when that happens a top class run game is what can get you over the line.

He produced at the same statistical level as Hunt.


You guys need to get off this train. We're not in need at the position.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Williams was catching the ball out of the backfield, BIG DEAL. We need a back that is gonna run between the tackles and gain big yards like Kareem did imo. Because there's gonna be times when we won't be able to just rely on Pat's arm. And when that happens a top class run game is what can get you over the line.

How many times did Kareem actually do what you're suggesting? You might want to go back and watch the games and look at Andy's play calling.

Furthermore, in the 2nd half when it really mattered, Williams had 16 yards on just 3 rushes. He can't help it he didn't get more touches.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Williams was catching the ball out of the backfield, BIG DEAL. We need a back that is gonna run between the tackles and gain big yards like Kareem did imo. Because there's gonna be times when we won't be able to just rely on Pat's arm. And when that happens a top class run game is what can get you over the line.

Damien is stronger between the tackles than he gets credit for. He's very shifty and can avoid straight on contact better than I expected. He also had several runs where he ended the carry by delivering a blow rather than receiving one. He had at least a couple of goalline carries where he flat knocked a defender back into the end zone.

I was very surprised by Williams' power. He's not Jerome Bettis by any means, he's not even Kareem Hunt, but he's no wilting daisy out there either. He's not Chris Johnson looking to avoid contact. He's not going to seek contact but if he sees someone between where he is and where he needs to be, he'll absolutely try to power through them and had some success there.

He's a solid back. You give him 200 carries and he'll approach 1,000 yards. If he's the starter for the whole season I think you get probably 225 carries for 1,050 yards to go with another 45-50 catches for 400-450 yards. Probably mix about 12-14 total scores in there.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

He produced at the same statistical level as Hunt.


You guys need to get off this train. We're not in need at the position.

People are forgetting that Hunt made a lot of his big plays in the passing game, JUST LIKE WILLIAMS.

Selective memory. Nostalgia. Grass is always greener. Call it what you want, it's still fantasy.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many times did Kareem actually do what you're suggesting? You might want to go back and watch the games and look at Andy's play calling.

Furthermore, in the 2nd half when it really mattered, Williams had 16 yards on just 3 rushes. He can't help it he didn't get more touches.

Denver twice? Patriots?

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

He produced at the same statistical level as Hunt.


You guys need to get off this train. We're not in need at the position.

Nope, I'm staying on this "train" as long as the likes of Seattle and The Ravens have a better run game than we do thank you very much.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many times did Kareem actually do what you're suggesting? You might want to go back and watch the games and look at Andy's play calling.

Furthermore, in the 2nd half when it really mattered, Williams had 16 yards on just 3 rushes. He can't help it he didn't get more touches.

Gotta be fair here - it mattered a TON in the first half when that offense was wetting the bed and his 7 carries for 14 yards was a part of that.

That said - we were getting blown off the line in that half and I'm not sure Hunt or Walter Payton would've made much of a difference.

This just isn't ever going to be a power football team and it shouldn't be. We don't have a need for a guy who's going to line up in the I Formation, put his head behind his FB and drive a pile forward. What is most effective for this offense is balance and a willingness to finish runs.

That's why Hunt was so good for us. It wasn't because he could take a play with 9 guys in the box, put his head down and just run through dudes. It was because he had the balance to slip through small seams, get his feet churning, keep the play going and then finish the run for another couple of yards when he got into the defensive backfield. Well Williams does a lot of that well also. He doesn't have Hunt's balance but Hunt's balance was a lot like Charles - just freakishly good. His is good though.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Nope, I'm staying on this "train" as long as the likes of Seattle and The Ravens have a better run game than we do thank you very much.

Two teams that are clearly inferior to the Chiefs. Admit it, you're a Martyball lover.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Gotta be fair here - it mattered a TON in the first half when that offense was wetting the bed and his 7 carries for 14 yards was a part of that.

That said - we were getting blown off the line in that half and I'm not sure Hunt or Walter Payton would've made much of a difference.

This just isn't ever going to be a power football team and it shouldn't be. We don't have a need for a guy who's going to line up in the I Formation, put his head behind his FB and drive a pile forward. What is most effective for this offense is balance and a willingness to finish runs.

That's why Hunt was so good for us. It wasn't because he could take a play with 9 guys in the box, put his head down and just run through dudes. It was because he had the balance to slip through small seams, get his feet churning, keep the play going and then finish the run for another couple of yards when he got into the defensive backfield. Well Williams does a lot of that well also. He doesn't have Hunt's balance but Hunt's balance was a lot like Charles - just freakishly good. His is good though.

Yeah, the first half was bad but the offensive line was completely overmatched. Hunt wasn't winning in those situations either. The line was awful.

I'm not saying Hunt wasn't good. I'm saying Damien Williams is good enough. People act like losing Hunt was catastrophic and it simply wasn't. Not shoring up the secondary at the trade deadline was the catastrophic mistake they made and ultimately what cost them. What happened with Hunt ended up being irrelevant.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Gotta be fair here - it mattered a TON in the first half when that offense was wetting the bed and his 7 carries for 14 yards was a part of that.

That said - we were getting blown off the line in that half and I'm not sure Hunt or Walter Payton would've made much of a difference.

This just isn't ever going to be a power football team and it shouldn't be. We don't have a need for a guy who's going to line up in the I Formation, put his head behind his FB and drive a pile forward. What is most effective for this offense is balance and a willingness to finish runs.

That's why Hunt was so good for us. It wasn't because he could take a play with 9 guys in the box, put his head down and just run through dudes. It was because he had the balance to slip through small seams, get his feet churning, keep the play going and then finish the run for another couple of yards when he got into the defensive backfield. Well Williams does a lot of that well also. He doesn't have Hunt's balance but Hunt's balance was a lot like Charles - just freakishly good. His is good though.

How good would Charles be in this current offense? My lord.

Or Kamara...…..

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Nope, I'm staying on this "train" as long as the likes of Seattle and The Ravens have a better run game than we do thank you very much.

Seattle's rush efficiency was well below ours. A more prolific running game doesn't not mean a more proficient one. They simply ran the ball more often.

They're a perfect example of exactly what we should NOT be doing. Russell Wilson was better than he'd ever been last year. He was very possibly the 2nd best QB in football but had one of the lowest usage rates of all NFL passers. The Seahawks kept taking the ball out of his hands and giving it to a set of RBs that just weren't all that great.

The Seahawks offense was significantly more effective and efficient when they were allowing Wilson to move the ball. Their loss to the Cowboys in the playoffs was precisely because they stubbornly and dogmatically committed to a running game that just was not working. Had they simply gone into that game and let Wilson throw the ball around, they'd have won going away.

The fact that you are citing the Seahawks is perfectly demonstrative of the flaw in your thinking. You see them as a team to be emulated when in fact, they're pretty much a textbook example of the worst possible way to utilize our offensive personnel.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

How good would Charles be in this current offense? My lord.

Or Kamara...…..

You know Kamara is a touchy subject with me, sir. Yet you keep mentioning him.

It's not very gentlemanly of you.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You know Kamara is a touchy subject with me, sir. Yet you keep mentioning him.

It's not very gentlemanly of you.

Yeah, it's upsetting.

But that's what they need. Williams is a great pass catching guy. Everyone is going to want them to look for a big bruiser. **** that. Give me another Williams.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Seattle's rush efficiency was well below ours. A more prolific running game doesn't not mean a more proficient one. They simply ran the ball more often.

They're a perfect example of exactly what we should NOT be doing. Russell Wilson was better than he'd ever been last year. He was very possibly the 2nd best QB in football but had one of the lowest usage rates of all NFL passers. The Seahawks kept taking the ball out of his hands and giving it to a set of RBs that just weren't all that great.

The Seahawks offense was significantly more effective and efficient when they were allowing Wilson to move the ball. Their loss to the Cowboys in the playoffs was precisely because they stubbornly and dogmatically committed to a running game that just was not working. Had they simply gone into that game and let Wilson throw the ball around, they'd have won going away.

The fact that you are citing the Seahawks is perfectly demonstrative of the flaw in your thinking. You see them as a team to be emulated when in fact, they're pretty much a textbook example of the worst possible way to utilize our offensive personnel.

The teams I mentioned were statistically two of the best running teams In the league were they not? And didn't they dominate TIME OF POSSESSION? And you think that's a bad thing for this offense?

Ever heard of the word DIVERSITY? if not I'd urge you to look it up.