Chiefs Attacking kneeldowns: good football or bad sportsmanship? - Page 3

**Rain Man** · 01:23 PM

I was getting annoyed on the Chiefs' last possession, the one where we had the ball on our own five with a minute left and were just doing kneeldowns.

On every kneeldown, the Patriots would create a big pileup by diving into our linemen.

It annoyed me because it's not going to work 999 times out of 1000. The general protocol of football is that if a team is kneeling down you let them do it because the game is essentially over. It's tradition, and it's generally frowned upon to do otherwise. (See Tom Nalen diving into Igor Olshansky's knees as an example.)

The Patriots were crashing hard into our linemen on every one of those kneeldowns even though Patrick was pulling off some of the greatest kneeldowns I've ever seen. Did you notice that? He was down in a split second and moving back. He may be the most talented kneeldown quarterback I've ever seen.

Having said all of that, the game ain't over until the final gun goes off, or Brady's bedtime, whichever comes first. If diving into the line works 1 time out of 1000, that's one extra game you're going to win. So it's good practice to do it from a pure win-loss perspective.

It makes me think that there should be a rule change to automatically take the clock down at the end of the game and the defending team can stop it by taking time outs, since kneeldowns are for the most part boring from a game perspective. Why should the league risk the knees of a Patriots player flying into them on a play that's essentially meaningless.

But back to the point. Was it good football that that Patriots were attacking our kneeldowns or bad sportsmanship?

Poll coming if I can keep Donta Hightower from diving into it.

Prison Bitch · 12-09-2019, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

It's a dick move.

Put it this way: suppose Pat faked a kneel down, and suddenly threw it to a wide open TE who released off the line,who sprints downfield alone and scored a cheap TD. How would their players react? Would their fans boo?

To even ask the question is to answer it.

**Rain Man** · 12-09-2019, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

I may be making this up, but I'm thinking the Ravens tried it yesterday at half.

If I was a coach I'd do it at halftime. Why not?

Mennonite · 12-09-2019, 03:03 PM

Bad sportsmanship. Total bitch move.

Yehoodi · 12-09-2019, 03:05 PM

I can understand both sides of the coin. I would lean towards not activity playing the kneel down.

My guess would be that when it gets to this point in a game the defense would tell the offense, "hey we are not going to try" and so folks know they are not going to try. Then at times will let them know, we need to try this time around.

Mr. Plow · 12-09-2019, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Harbaugh did exactly that against the Bills yesterday

Thanks. I thought I remembered it, but then I started wondering if I'd made it up.

Mr. Plow · 12-09-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

If I was a coach I'd do it at halftime. Why not?

No reason not to. Could catch them off guard and get a score out of it. Worst case would be an accidental fumble returned for a TD.

crayzkirk · 12-09-2019, 03:49 PM

Personally, I don't like the kneel down rule. Play until the game is over. Make the other team earn it. How is it any different than any other play? Same with spiking the ball; to me, that's garbage.

farmerchief · 12-09-2019, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Put it this way: suppose Pat faked a kneel down, and suddenly threw it to a wide open TE who released off the line,who sprints downfield alone and scored a cheap TD. How would their players react? Would their fans boo?

To even ask the question is to answer it.

I would give all the Patriot players a free run and hit at all of our players, including coaches, if that happened!

rabblerouser · 12-09-2019, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Good football IMO. Play until the whistle. I have no problem with it.

Of course, you WOULD think that.

**Easy 6** · 12-09-2019, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Thanks. I thought I remembered it, but then I started wondering if I'd made it up.

Pretty damn devious, but it was right before the half and the game was still close... so I didn’t have a problem with it

**TribalElder** · 12-09-2019, 06:01 PM

bad sportsmanship, typical patriots

**wazu** · 12-09-2019, 06:05 PM

It's somewhat situational. Yesterday they had us pinned close to our goal line, and they were only down 1 score. It's not crazy for them to attack in that situation. I don't think it warrants doing it all the time just to fight to the end, but this was a situation where as a Chiefs fan I wasn't 100% comfortable that we had enough backfield room to work with.

saphojunkie · 12-09-2019, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

JFC you’re an imbecile. A broken clock is right twice a day but you can’t even achieve that twice a year.

You believe in professional courtesy. Great. I believe that the end of the game is no different than the start of the game.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-09-2019, 06:07 PM

It's bitch move, and could result in another Myles Garrett situation after the whistle is blown guys will try to end careers by any means.

**cdcox** · 12-09-2019, 06:08 PM

It's a player safety issue.

View Poll Results: Attacking kneeldowns in the victory formation. What's your opinion?
Football is a 60-minute game. If it gives you a chance to win, you obviously do it.	18	15.65%
You should do it to try to win, but the injury risk may outweigh the reward.	6	5.22%
I'm neutral. I'm usually in the bathroom when the kneeldowns occur anyway.	2	1.74%
I'll deal with it if someone does it, because the game's not over. But it's kind of stupid.	20	17.39%
It's poor sportsmanship. Class up and acknowledge that you've lost.	64	55.65%
Kneeldowns shouldn't happen anyway. Keep attacking because scoring is the eighth or ninth tiebreaker for the playoffs.	5	4.35%
Voters: 115. You may not vote on this poll

12-09-2019, 01:18 PM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3408491 VARSITY	Attacking kneeldowns: good football or bad sportsmanship? I was getting annoyed on the Chiefs' last possession, the one where we had the ball on our own five with a minute left and were just doing kneeldowns. On every kneeldown, the Patriots would create a big pileup by diving into our linemen. It annoyed me because it's not going to work 999 times out of 1000. The general protocol of football is that if a team is kneeling down you let them do it because the game is essentially over. It's tradition, and it's generally frowned upon to do otherwise. (See Tom Nalen diving into Igor Olshansky's knees as an example.) The Patriots were crashing hard into our linemen on every one of those kneeldowns even though Patrick was pulling off some of the greatest kneeldowns I've ever seen. Did you notice that? He was down in a split second and moving back. He may be the most talented kneeldown quarterback I've ever seen. Having said all of that, the game ain't over until the final gun goes off, or Brady's bedtime, whichever comes first. If diving into the line works 1 time out of 1000, that's one extra game you're going to win. So it's good practice to do it from a pure win-loss perspective. It makes me think that there should be a rule change to automatically take the clock down at the end of the game and the defending team can stop it by taking time outs, since kneeldowns are for the most part boring from a game perspective. Why should the league risk the knees of a Patriots player flying into them on a play that's essentially meaningless. But back to the point. Was it good football that that Patriots were attacking our kneeldowns or bad sportsmanship? Poll coming if I can keep Donta Hightower from diving into it. Last edited by Rain Man; 12-09-2019 at 01:23 PM..
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12-09-2019, 03:03 PM	#33
Mennonite Veteran Join Date: Jun 2014 Casino cash: $10258572	Bad sportsmanship. Total bitch move.
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12-09-2019, 03:05 PM	#34
Yehoodi Starter Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Massachusetts Casino cash: $10000400	I can understand both sides of the coin. I would lean towards not activity playing the kneel down. My guess would be that when it gets to this point in a game the defense would tell the offense, "hey we are not going to try" and so folks know they are not going to try. Then at times will let them know, we need to try this time around.
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12-09-2019, 03:49 PM	#37
crayzkirk Veteran Join Date: Nov 2016 Casino cash: $3900000	Personally, I don't like the kneel down rule. Play until the game is over. Make the other team earn it. How is it any different than any other play? Same with spiking the ball; to me, that's garbage.
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TribalElder Arrowhead Trail of Tears Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: KansasCity Casino cash: $2480441	bad sportsmanship, typical patriots
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wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $2292295 VARSITY	It's somewhat situational. Yesterday they had us pinned close to our goal line, and they were only down 1 score. It's not crazy for them to attack in that situation. I don't think it warrants doing it all the time just to fight to the end, but this was a situation where as a Chiefs fan I wasn't 100% comfortable that we had enough backfield room to work with.
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Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $1002813	It's bitch move, and could result in another Myles Garrett situation after the whistle is blown guys will try to end careers by any means. __________________
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12-09-2019, 06:08 PM	#45
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $2421769	It's a player safety issue.
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