Chiefs Daniel Jeremiah: Many expect Chiefs to trade up for a CB - Page 19

Shag · 04-16-2018, 02:54 PM

Not real surprising, but from here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...oking-to-trade

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Chiefs are a candidate to trade up for a CB: The Chiefs don't own a first-round pick in this year's draft (they dealt that pick away in the Patrick Mahomes trade last year), but I won't be surprised if they move up from where they're picking in the second round (No. 54 overall). They have a glaring need at cornerback and the top cover men will be long gone by the time they are on the clock if they stay put at No. 54. They need to get into the range of picks 35-40 in order to secure a Day One starter at that position, and many around the league expect them to make that happen.

RunKC · 04-23-2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'd just sit in those rounds in that case and keep our picks.

5 picks in rounds 2,3,4 currently.

Just go from there.

It seems that Veach really views corner as a big deficiency and from what we know, there are around 6 corners that make an impact day 1 and after that will be a big drop to tier 2.

I would trade down from pick 86 to try to pick up either another 4th or a 5th. Just seems like there is going to be a plethora of good players in rd 3 and 4 this year.

**BossChief** · 04-23-2018, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

groovy, I still believe we need to load up next picks next season.

we got our QB at the expense of the 2018 draft. Thus, time to think of next year and not be ass****ed again to maneuver. The 2019 is ideal to sit back, and wait to cast in offers for more draft capital or trade up.

We have the QB finally don't ruin the future with short sighted bullshit.

I always HATE this mindset. **** trading down to get a bunch of meh players.

Go get impact guys.

If you want meh players, you can always get those for close to league minimum in FA.

You know what you can’t get in FA?

Cost controlled impact players that are 21-22 years old.

**BossChief** · 04-23-2018, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

It seems that Veach really views corner as a big deficiency and from what we know, there are around 6 corners that make an impact day 1 and after that will be a big drop to tier 2.

I would trade down from pick 86 to try to pick up either another 4th or a 5th. Just seems like there is going to be a plethora of good players in rd 3 and 4 this year.

of course he does.

Peters was traded
They tried to trade Nelson
Gaines is gone
Mitchell is gone
Acker is gone

**** moving down from 54.

This class has difference making CBs on cost controlled rookie deals.

Get 2.

Move next years 2 and one of this years 3s to get up to the early to mid 2nd and take a CB and then take another one at 54...or a safety.

Gotta take advantage of the drafts skill depth at certain positions...what Veach called “pockets”.

O.city · 04-23-2018, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

It seems that Veach really views corner as a big deficiency and from what we know, there are around 6 corners that make an impact day 1 and after that will be a big drop to tier 2.

I would trade down from pick 86 to try to pick up either another 4th or a 5th. Just seems like there is going to be a plethora of good players in rd 3 and 4 this year.

Yeah, that's not a bad idea. I'd really like to add a legit corner from this class so I guess I can hold my nose at the trade up.

But after round 4, I don't really care about those picks. Sure, they have had some success there, but the chances are just so slim.

RunKC · 04-23-2018, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

of course he does.

Peters was traded
They tried to trade Nelson
Gaines is gone
Mitchell is gone
Acker is gone

**** moving down from 54.

This class has difference making CBs on cost controlled rookie deals.

Get 2.

Move next years 2 and one of this years 3s to get up to the early to mid 2nd and take a CB and then take another one at 54...or a safety.

Gotta take advantage of the drafts skill depth at certain positions...what Veach called “pockets”.

I think you misunderstood my plan. Here it is:

Trade our 2nd, first 3rd (78) and a 6th to move up for a corner. Then try to trade down from our remaining 3rd (86) to hopefully get another 4th.

Ideally that would give us a 1st rd corner to start day 1 and 4 picks in the 90-128 range.

O.city · 04-23-2018, 09:53 AM

I don't see how they can not have to give up 54 to go up any. A team isn't gonna wanna drop that far.

**BossChief** · 04-23-2018, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I think you misunderstood my plan. Here it is:

Trade our 2nd, first 3rd (78) and a 6th to move up for a corner. Then try to trade down from our remaining 3rd (86) to hopefully get another 4th.

Ideally that would give us a 1st rd corner to start day 1 and 4 picks in the 90-128 range.

I’d much rather trade up from our first 3 picks using next years 2 and some late rounders. I’m just not a fan of moving down in the draft. It very rarely works for the team trading down.

Use next years 2 and 54 this year to move up to 31/32
Use pick 78 and 196 to move up a few spots, if needed.
Use pick 86 and next years original second rounder to move up to the first 8-10 picks in the second and recoup a 4 this year.

That nets us:

A late first this year
An early second this year
A mid third this year
2 4ths
2 7ths

That gets us huge haul of talent this year and still leaves a 1,3, 5, 6 and 7 next year...

That’s my “best case scenario”

**BossChief** · 04-23-2018, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I think you misunderstood my plan. Here it is:

Trade our 2nd, first 3rd (78) and a 6th to move up for a corner. Then try to trade down from our remaining 3rd (86) to hopefully get another 4th.

Ideally that would give us a 1st rd corner to start day 1 and 4 picks in the 90-128 range.

I get it. I just don’t want to use this years third(s) to move up from 54.

I bet NE would take this and next years 2s to give up 31.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-23-2018, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I always HATE this mindset. **** trading down to get a bunch of meh players.

Go get impact guys.

If you want meh players, you can always get those for close to league minimum in FA.

You know what you can’t get in FA?

Cost controlled impact players that are 21-22 years old.

Meh players? We also need depth, we were ****ed when Berry went down and Parker is gone too.

KC needs passrushers which will be remedied next 2019 draft season with enough ammunition.

We're going to have the same discussion with those who have revisionist memory in 2019

TEX · 04-23-2018, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I’d much rather trade up from our first 3 picks using next years 2 and some late rounders. I’m just not a fan of moving down in the draft. It very rarely works for the team trading down.

Use next years 2 and 54 this year to move up to 31/32
Use pick 78 and 196 to move up a few spots, if needed.
Use pick 86 and next years original second rounder to move up to the first 8-10 picks in the second and recoup a 4 this year.

That nets us:

A late first this year
An early second this year
A mid third this year
2 4ths
2 7ths

That gets us huge haul of talent this year and still leaves a 1,3, 5, 6 and 7 next year...

That’s my “best case scenario”

I'm in!

**BossChief** · 04-23-2018, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I’d much rather trade up from our first 3 picks using next years 2 and some late rounders. I’m just not a fan of moving down in the draft. It very rarely works for the team trading down.

Use next years 2 and 54 this year to move up to 31/32
Use pick 78 and 196 to move up a few spots, if needed.
Use pick 86 and next years original second rounder to move up to the first 8-10 picks in the second and recoup a 4 this year.

That nets us:

A late first this year
An early second this year
A mid third this year
2 4ths
2 7ths

That gets us huge haul of talent this year and still leaves a 1,3, 5, 6 and 7 next year...

That’s my “best case scenario”

We would actually have 3 fourth rounders in this scenario.

**BossChief** · 04-23-2018, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Meh players? We also need depth, we were ****ed when Berry went down and Parker is gone too.

KC needs passrushers which will be remedied next 2019 draft season with enough ammunition.

We're going to have the same discussion with those who have revisionist memory in 2019

Drafting starters improves the depth.

Especially if we identify and draft impact starters.

Veach is one of the best in the business at identifying talent...and he is itching to move up in the draft. He said in every scenario they played out, he wanted to move up.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-23-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Drafting starters improves the depth.

Especially if we identify and draft impact starters.

Veach is one of the best in the business at identifying talent...and he is itching to move up in the draft. He said in every scenario they played out, he wanted to move up.

He also said his scouts may reign him in if the value can be acquired.

You got to ask yourself is it more important to sacrifice picks today for a solid starter even if you trade up or go for it all if an elite player is available the next draft

KChiefs1 · 04-23-2018, 10:30 AM

I didn’t trade up & ended up with this haul via the https://first-pick.com/Default.aspx website.

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 22: Oliver, Isaiah, CB, Colorado

Round 3 Pick 14: Gaulden, Rashaan, FS, Tennessee

Round 3 Pick 22: Teller, Wyatt, OG, Virginia Tech

Round 4 Pick 22: Harris, Davontae, CB, Illinois State

Round 4 Pick 24: Bates III, Jessie, FS, Wake Forest

Round 6 Pick 25 (TENN): Ford, Poona, DT, Texas

Round 7 Pick 7 (MINN): Coutee, Keke, WR, Texas Tech

Round 7 Pick 9 (S.F.): Jacobs, Leon, OLB, Wisconsin

Round 7 Pick 15: Jackson, JC, CB, Maryland

Round 7 Pick 22 (S.F.): Atkins, John, DT, Georgia

Round 7 Pick 25: Hassenauer, JC, C, Alabama

**BossChief** · 04-23-2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

He also said his scouts may reign him in if the value can be acquired.

He said this years draft is very strong.

That’s why I’m suggesting moving picks from next year to move up this year.

Strike while the iron is hot

Load up the secondary in the strongest secondary draft in a long time so when teams try to keep up with our scoring offense, they need to do so against premier cover guys.

That investment would pay dividends for the next 4-8 years.

Teams are going to throw a lot and we don’t have enough safeties and corners...and this is a great S/CB draft.

**** passing on that to load up for “next year.”

THIS IS NEXT YEAR.

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KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	I didn’t trade up & ended up with this haul via the https://first-pick.com/Default.aspx website. Your Picks: Round 2 Pick 22: Oliver, Isaiah, CB, Colorado Round 3 Pick 14: Gaulden, Rashaan, FS, Tennessee Round 3 Pick 22: Teller, Wyatt, OG, Virginia Tech Round 4 Pick 22: Harris, Davontae, CB, Illinois State Round 4 Pick 24: Bates III, Jessie, FS, Wake Forest Round 6 Pick 25 (TENN): Ford, Poona, DT, Texas Round 7 Pick 7 (MINN): Coutee, Keke, WR, Texas Tech Round 7 Pick 9 (S.F.): Jacobs, Leon, OLB, Wisconsin Round 7 Pick 15: Jackson, JC, CB, Maryland Round 7 Pick 22 (S.F.): Atkins, John, DT, Georgia Round 7 Pick 25: Hassenauer, JC, C, Alabama __________________
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