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Old 02-17-2020, 08:57 AM  
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So what do we get for Jonesy?

Man, the more I look at the cap numbers and our cache of picks as well as the areas in which we need to improve our talent level...the more I just think we kind of HAVE to tag and trade Jones and let Watkins go as well.

I don't think we get a Khalil Mack haul, but I've seen a mid #2 floated as well. I think that's horseshit.

What do you think we get in a tag-and-trade scenario for Jones?

What (if any) compensation do you think we'd receive for Watkins?
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Old 03-05-2020, 01:34 AM   #61
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How far up is a reasonable area that we could move up to if we comboíd Jones with 32? Would that be enough to move up to 13? I think it makes sense for both sides and KC could pull the trigger on someone like Ruggs that would really bring another level to this offense.
That kind of move doesn't make sense I think, Chiefs only have 5 picks and so if they traded Jones not increasing the number of picks would be a bad move.

Chiefs have plenty of holes, need depth rather than one superstar, which is why trading Jones is a good idea.
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Old 03-05-2020, 08:59 AM   #62
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Trading Jones and our 1st round pick for a third WR? **** that.

Ruggs is good but that makes our team way worse. You’re trading Jones to get cost controlled guys at other positions that are needed.
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Old 03-05-2020, 12:33 PM   #63
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I wouldn't be excited about trading him to the Colts. You'd potentially have to play him damn near every year.

Just keep him.
This! Trading Jones to the Colts would help build up their defense to beat us in a possible playoff match. That would be really dumb.
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Old 03-05-2020, 01:05 PM   #64
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Trade Jones and #32 to Miami for #18, #39, #70, and #185. That's a value of 1077 net points for the Chiefs based on the Drafttek trade chart. Miami has 14 picks. I don't see them being able to assimilate that many picks into their 2020 roster. This trade gets them a top DL in his prime to pair with last years first round pick, DL Christian Wilkins, and still have 3 first rounders and 8 other picks. The Chiefs get much needed draft capital and cap space.
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Old 03-05-2020, 01:20 PM   #65
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Trading Jones and our 1st round pick for a third WR? **** that.

Ruggs is good but that makes our team way worse. You’re trading Jones to get cost controlled guys at other positions that are needed.
Exactly. The #1 thing the Chiefs need are picks. We have to keep the roster primed with young, affordable players on rookie deals to balance off our big contract players.
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Trade Jones and #32 to Miami for #18, #39, #70, and #185. That's a value of 1077 net points for the Chiefs based on the Drafttek trade chart. Miami has 14 picks. I don't see them being able to assimilate that many picks into their 2020 roster. This trade gets them a top DL in his prime to pair with last years first round pick, DL Christian Wilkins, and still have 3 first rounders and 8 other picks. The Chiefs get much needed draft capital and cap space.
I'd be down for that, not sure if Miami would go for it though.
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Trade Jones and #32 to Miami for #18, #39, #70, and #185. That's a value of 1077 net points for the Chiefs based on the Drafttek trade chart. Miami has 14 picks. I don't see them being able to assimilate that many picks into their 2020 roster. This trade gets them a top DL in his prime to pair with last years first round pick, DL Christian Wilkins, and still have 3 first rounders and 8 other picks. The Chiefs get much needed draft capital and cap space.
This is a really creative idea, and I think Miami's third 1st rounder (what, #23) also would work in this scenario.

You'd feel REALLY good about having a shot at Yetur Gross-Matos at either of those picks and might even move high enough to nab CJ Henderson or Kristian Fulton. And you add a BUNCH of picks you can use for depth (extra second and extra third would be HUGE).
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Old 03-06-2020, 01:04 AM   #68
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Trading Jones and our 1st round pick for a third WR? **** that.

Ruggs is good but that makes our team way worse. Youíre trading Jones to get cost controlled guys at other positions that are needed.
Possessing two of the top 3 fastest players in the league at WR with Mahomes isnít making a team worse. Itís eliminating any potential defense against this offense. He wouldnít be a WR3, heíd take Sammys place and with his cap number coming a rookie contract would allow the team to continue to build throughout the roster with financial flexibility, especially with Jones contract gone.

This isnít just a speed guy, he had one of the lowest drop rates in the country. I understand not wanting to draft a WR high but overall he brings up the teams ceiling higher than anyone else due to their being another player that absolutely requires deep safety help, especially with Pat throwing the ball. With Reek also out there, you essentially put the defense in a spot to dedicate 4 defenders to contain the last level against two deep threats and allows Kelce/RBs to eat in the shallow/intermediate levels with Hardman essentially being a chess piece throughout the offense.

Just donít see a late first CB or LB making that type of difference personally. I understand wanting to trade down for more assets but at the end of the day, Veach can find the roster fillers and I think itís best to go for the blue-chip game changers in the 1st round.
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Old 03-06-2020, 01:51 AM   #69
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Possessing two of the top 3 fastest players in the league at WR with Mahomes isnít making a team worse. Itís eliminating any potential defense against this offense. He wouldnít be a WR3, heíd take Sammys place and with his cap number coming a rookie contract would allow the team to continue to build throughout the roster with financial flexibility, especially with Jones contract gone.

This isnít just a speed guy, he had one of the lowest drop rates in the country. I understand not wanting to draft a WR high but overall he brings up the teams ceiling higher than anyone else due to their being another player that absolutely requires deep safety help, especially with Pat throwing the ball. With Reek also out there, you essentially put the defense in a spot to dedicate 4 defenders to contain the last level against two deep threats and allows Kelce/RBs to eat in the shallow/intermediate levels with Hardman essentially being a chess piece throughout the offense.

Just donít see a late first CB or LB making that type of difference personally. I understand wanting to trade down for more assets but at the end of the day, Veach can find the roster fillers and I think itís best to go for the blue-chip game changers in the 1st round.
Probably 3rd receiver rather than 3rd wide receiver is more accurate. Jones and a first round pick to get a 3rd target for Mahomes is literally too much to pay.

You're basically building the 2018 Chiefs there by neglecting the defense and hoping you can win shootouts, rather than trying to keep the 2019 improved defense Chiefs that won the whole damn thing.

Hardman and Watkins were already genuine deep threats to go along with Tyreek this last year, I don't think having a slightly faster guy instead of Watkins improves the team as much as you think.

Plus if Mahomes doesn't get time in the pocket, then it doesn't matter how many deep threats you have. And if you give Andy and Patrick time in the pocket, they don't need to have the fastest players in the NFL to beat you.

Plus, there isn't as much financial flexibility as you think if you do this. You cut Sammy and trade Jones and now you start with about $27m to work with, but you need a pass rushing DT, two free agent corners, improvements at linebacker, and to improve the Oline, with probably no help from the draft because you took a 3rd target for the offense, and with a Mahomes extension possibly bumping his cap hit this year.
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Trade Jones to the Colts straight up for Quinton Nelson? Lol
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