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Old 02-11-2019, 11:52 AM  
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Insect Extinction

Everyone has heard of this issue with regard to bees. This is the first time I have heard of it with regard to insects in general.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0f9e1b17f097d

Insects Are Dying En Masse, Risking ‘Catastrophic’ Collapse Of Earth’s Ecosystems

The insect apocalypse is indeed upon us, according to the first global scientific review of insect population decline.


There have been warning signs for years about plummeting insect populations worldwide, but the extent of the potentially “catastrophic” crisis had not been well-understood — until now.

The first global scientific review of insect population decline was published this week in the journal Biological Conservation and the findings are “shocking,” its authors said.

More than 40 percent of insect species are dwindling globally and a third of species are endangered, concluded the peer-reviewed study, which analyzed 73 historical reports on insect population declines.

Chillingly, the total mass of insects is falling by 2.5 percent annually, the review’s authors said. If the decline continues at this rate, insects could be wiped off the face of the Earth within a century.

“It is very rapid. In 10 years you will have a quarter less, in 50 years only half left and in 100 years you will have none,” study co-author Francisco Sánchez-Bayo, an environmental biologist at the University of Sydney, Australia, told The Guardian.

“If insect species losses cannot be halted, this will have catastrophic consequences for both the planet’s ecosystems and for the survival of mankind,” Sánchez-Bayo added.

Scientists have warned that a human-caused sixth mass extinction is now underway on Earth. Vertebrate species, both on land and under the sea, are threatened at a global scale because of human activities.

But according to the new review, the proportion of insects in decline is currently twice as high as that of vertebrates and the insect extinction rate is eight times faster than that of mammals, birds and reptiles.

Insects play a profoundly important role in Earth’s ecosystems. They are a food source for many animals, are critical pollinators and recycle nutrients back into the soil.

In a November New York Times report about a possible “insect apocalypse,” scientists were asked to imagine a world with no insects.

They found “words like chaos, collapse, Armageddon,” the Times wrote. ”[One entomologist] describes a flowerless world with silent forests, a world of dung and old leaves and rotting carcasses accumulating in cities and roadsides, a world of ‘collapse or decay and erosion and loss that would spread through ecosystems.’”

According to the new scientific review, habitat loss because of intensive agriculture is the top driver of insect population declines. The heavy use of pesticides, climate change and invasive species were also pinpointed as significant causes.

“Unless we change our ways of producing food, insects as a whole will go down the path of extinction in a few decades,” the review’s co-authors wrote. “The repercussions this will have for the planet’s ecosystems are catastrophic to say the least.”
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:38 PM   #31
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Wondering what examples of toxic chemicals made by those firms that are "dumped on our food?
Glyphosate, atrazine, 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid, extrazine, chlorpyrifos, etc. Just look at the label of any insecticide, herbicide or fungicide. Look at all the banned or severely restricted agricultural chemicals of the last 50 years. There's a good chance that some of today's approved chemicals will be banned upon further research. We have a lot of chemical companies making a lot of money of these chemicals. Having less toxic chemicals in the environment can't be bad, right? Can't imagine anyone would argue against alternatives to toxic chemicals. Alternatives that work of course. That's all I'm advocating. Unless you work for or own stock in a chemical company that makes toxic chemicals, I can't imagine why you would disapprove. Even then, those companies can find alternatives if they're motivated to do so.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:05 PM   #32
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The organic industry uses plenty of pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides. Some of it has proven much worse than any synthetic product. You don't grow food without some type.

Everything is chemicals. Just because you don't understand it or can't pronounce the name, it doesn't make it automatically bad.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:06 PM   #33
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We only have ~12 years anyway...
My guess is 11....she's just getting everyone ready.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:06 PM   #34
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There's no reason this country can't have more than 1% of it's farming produce organic produce. The leverage held by big business in agriculture doesn't help matters. Big part of the problem. You can prevent erosion with terrace farming, strip farming, conservation tillage, crop rotation, cover crops, wind breaks, et. al. Not all chemicals need be discontinued. We do need to reduce them and provide fair incentives for the agricultural industry to reduce toxic chemicals.
I'm in the industry.

I raise some organic crops.

You're pissing in the wind if you think anywhere near current subsidy levels would even make a dent.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:39 PM   #35
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:41 PM   #36
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There's no reason this country can't have more than 1% of it's farming produce organic produce. The leverage held by big business in agriculture doesn't help matters. Big part of the problem. You can prevent erosion with terrace farming, strip farming, conservation tillage, crop rotation, cover crops, wind breaks, et. al. Not all chemicals need be discontinued. We do need to reduce them and provide fair incentives for the agricultural industry to reduce toxic chemicals.
There is no shortage of Organic produce available to the population. If people will buy it, people will produce it. Even in small town midwest America we have an Organic section.

We have been terracing since the 60s....

We have been strip farming since the 60s

Conservation tillage is almost 100%

Cover crops are all the rage today...

Are you caught in the 60's?
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:03 PM   #37
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:00 PM   #38
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:01 PM   #39
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Even in small town midwest America we have an Organic section.
That's awesome. Maybe we will get above 1% someday soon.
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:02 PM   #41
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My guess is 11....she's just getting everyone ready.
Well if we can live those last 11 without mosquitoes and other pests, that's fine by me!
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I raise some organic crops.
What do you raise? It's a big change, but some farmer's are making the successful transition to organic. And actually making more money.
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:50 PM   #44
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Sorry dude, Pats fans won't go away until Brady gets extincted.
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If you've followed what's been happening with Glyphosate, you know that some very shady shit's been going on from the opposition side of things. We're talking the anti-Alar campaign levels of shady shit. It's a terrible example to bring up.
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