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Old 02-11-2019, 11:52 AM  
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Insect Extinction

Everyone has heard of this issue with regard to bees. This is the first time I have heard of it with regard to insects in general.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0f9e1b17f097d

Insects Are Dying En Masse, Risking ‘Catastrophic’ Collapse Of Earth’s Ecosystems

The insect apocalypse is indeed upon us, according to the first global scientific review of insect population decline.


There have been warning signs for years about plummeting insect populations worldwide, but the extent of the potentially “catastrophic” crisis had not been well-understood — until now.

The first global scientific review of insect population decline was published this week in the journal Biological Conservation and the findings are “shocking,” its authors said.

More than 40 percent of insect species are dwindling globally and a third of species are endangered, concluded the peer-reviewed study, which analyzed 73 historical reports on insect population declines.

Chillingly, the total mass of insects is falling by 2.5 percent annually, the review’s authors said. If the decline continues at this rate, insects could be wiped off the face of the Earth within a century.

“It is very rapid. In 10 years you will have a quarter less, in 50 years only half left and in 100 years you will have none,” study co-author Francisco Sánchez-Bayo, an environmental biologist at the University of Sydney, Australia, told The Guardian.

“If insect species losses cannot be halted, this will have catastrophic consequences for both the planet’s ecosystems and for the survival of mankind,” Sánchez-Bayo added.

Scientists have warned that a human-caused sixth mass extinction is now underway on Earth. Vertebrate species, both on land and under the sea, are threatened at a global scale because of human activities.

But according to the new review, the proportion of insects in decline is currently twice as high as that of vertebrates and the insect extinction rate is eight times faster than that of mammals, birds and reptiles.

Insects play a profoundly important role in Earth’s ecosystems. They are a food source for many animals, are critical pollinators and recycle nutrients back into the soil.

In a November New York Times report about a possible “insect apocalypse,” scientists were asked to imagine a world with no insects.

They found “words like chaos, collapse, Armageddon,” the Times wrote. ”[One entomologist] describes a flowerless world with silent forests, a world of dung and old leaves and rotting carcasses accumulating in cities and roadsides, a world of ‘collapse or decay and erosion and loss that would spread through ecosystems.’”

According to the new scientific review, habitat loss because of intensive agriculture is the top driver of insect population declines. The heavy use of pesticides, climate change and invasive species were also pinpointed as significant causes.

“Unless we change our ways of producing food, insects as a whole will go down the path of extinction in a few decades,” the review’s co-authors wrote. “The repercussions this will have for the planet’s ecosystems are catastrophic to say the least.”
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:26 PM   #16
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Not surprising. Companies like Dow, DuPont, Bayer AG and Monsanto produce an amazing amount of toxic chemicals that get dumped on our food. There's been enough success with organic farming to prove that all those chemicals are not necessary. U.S. farms are less than 1% organic. Seems we could do better. Maybe if we reallocated some of the federal subsidies and encouraged safer, less toxic agriculture.
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:28 PM   #17
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I'm still trying to come to grips with a post EMP future and now this?!?!
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:30 PM   #18
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I'm still trying to come to grips with a post EMP future and now this?!?!
Don't bad things happen in threes?

1. Insect extinction
2. EMP
3. Zombie apocalypse
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:35 PM   #19
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:42 PM   #20
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Not surprising. Companies like Dow, DuPont, Bayer AG and Monsanto produce an amazing amount of toxic chemicals that get dumped on our food. There's been enough success with organic farming to prove that all those chemicals are not necessary. U.S. farms are less than 1% organic. Seems we could do better. Maybe if we reallocated some of the federal subsidies and encouraged safer, less toxic agriculture.
Wondering what examples of toxic chemicals made by those firms that are "dumped on our food?
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:04 PM   #21
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:18 PM   #22
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:22 PM   #23
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Not surprising. Companies like Dow, DuPont, Bayer AG and Monsanto produce an amazing amount of toxic chemicals that get dumped on our food. There's been enough success with organic farming to prove that all those chemicals are not necessary. U.S. farms are less than 1% organic. Seems we could do better. Maybe if we reallocated some of the federal subsidies and encouraged safer, less toxic agriculture.


I hope you're willing to deal with a bunch of hungry mother****ers.

There is a good reason organic farms are a limited industry. It is not cheap by any means. A massive amount of people could never afford to buy organically produced food. You'd be suggesting increasing subsidies on both the production as well as consumptions side by a very significant amount.

On top of that, erosion is a serious concern. Chemically controlling weeds allows for significant amounts of notil that keeps soils in place and out of our streams and oceans. Those soil particles also carry other substances attached to them that cause serious issues when they hit the water profiles. Don't buy the "organic" pipe dream until you dig into it a little more.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:35 PM   #24
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:45 PM   #25
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Not surprising. Companies like Dow, DuPont, Bayer AG and Monsanto produce an amazing amount of toxic chemicals that get dumped on our food. There's been enough success with organic farming to prove that all those chemicals are not necessary. U.S. farms are less than 1% organic. Seems we could do better. Maybe if we reallocated some of the federal subsidies and encouraged safer, less toxic agriculture.
Read my earlier article I posted. Pesticides and weed killers are not the problem.
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I hope you're willing to deal with a bunch of hungry mother****ers.

There is a good reason organic farms are a limited industry. It is not cheap by any means. A massive amount of people could never afford to buy organically produced food. You'd be suggesting increasing subsidies on both the production as well as consumptions side by a very significant amount.

On top of that, erosion is a serious concern. Chemically controlling weeds allows for significant amounts of notil that keeps soils in place and out of our streams and oceans. Those soil particles also carry other substances attached to them that cause serious issues when they hit the water profiles. Don't buy the "organic" pipe dream until you dig into it a little more.


There's no reason this country can't have more than 1% of it's farming produce organic produce. The leverage held by big business in agriculture doesn't help matters. Big part of the problem. You can prevent erosion with terrace farming, strip farming, conservation tillage, crop rotation, cover crops, wind breaks, et. al. Not all chemicals need be discontinued. We do need to reduce them and provide fair incentives for the agricultural industry to reduce toxic chemicals.
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:25 PM   #29
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Read my earlier article I posted. Pesticides and weed killers are not the problem.
Read them. They are a problem for humans and some insects. (Not all insects everywhere in the world.) I'm not an extremist, but we can do a better job of limiting pesticides and herbicides. It will take a commonsense approach. It's not like we're all going to be dead in 12 years.
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