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Old 01-09-2019, 03:42 PM  
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What should trump give to get his 5B for the wall?

Trump's approach here seems to be to whine and hope he gets his way. But if you want to make a deal, both sides need to be happy with it.

Trump is supposedly the master dealmaker, lol, clearly not.

What would you give the democrats in exchange for getting the wall?
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:16 PM   #16
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:19 PM   #17
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:20 PM   #18
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I think DACA for the $5B is a reasonable exchange too.

Now what about for the whole wall?
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:21 PM   #19
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Sure. And not remotely disingenuous, right?
"Donald Trump is a genuine man" is something I don't think I've ever heard.
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:29 PM   #21
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It’s not “nothing”, either. It’s a split country with a split government now. That means there should be a split decision here.



The answer is simple: 5.7B for the wall, 5.7B for something the Dems want.
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Nothing.
This is probably the best route for Trump..
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I don't get it. In the big picture of the annual spending in this country $5B is almost nothing. Just ****ing give it to him and move on. Not like that $5B is going to break us.

In other words, they should all get off the pot and do their jobs! And once this is done the House should do something that hasn't been done in a while and actually give us a budget to work from so we don't have these damned shut downs every few months. DO YOUR JOB!!!
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:36 PM   #24
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Trump is in the power seat at this point because Pelosi and Schumer have fumbled on two carries in a row.....last night and this afternoon....even WaPo saw it...



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'This is a humanitarian crisis': Trump addresses the nation

By Marc A. Thiessen
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January 8 at 11:20 PM
President Trump did something Tuesday night that he has rarely done since taking office: He used the presidential bully pulpit to reach beyond his hardcore base of supporters to make his case to the American people as a whole.

Speaking from the Oval Office for the first time during his presidency, Trump embraced our country’s tradition as a nation of immigrants, declaring “America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation.” He then offered a cogent explanation why he believes we face what he called “a humanitarian crisis — a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul” along our southern border.

He pointed out the human cost of our broken system to illegal migrants themselves, expressing compassion for the “children [who] are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs” and the “women [who] are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico.” He shared heartbreaking stories of Americans killed by criminal aliens who had no right to be here — including a police officer in California who was murdered, a 16-year-old girl who was brutally stabbed in Maryland, and an Air Force veteran who was raped and beaten to death.


“I’ve held the hands of the weeping mothers and embraced the grief-stricken fathers,” Trump declared. “I will never forget the pain in their eyes, the tremble in their voices, or the sadness gripping their souls.”

And he laid out his solution, which he explained was “developed by law enforcement professionals and border agents” and includes funds for cutting-edge technology, more border agents, more immigration judges, more bed space and medical support — and $5.7 billion for a “physical barrier” that he called “just common sense.” Without naming her, Trump responded to the absurd charge from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) that a wall is “immoral.” Democrats voted repeatedly for physical barriers until he was elected president, he noted. If a wall is immoral, Trump asked, “why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes? They don’t build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.”

The president did not unilaterally declare a national emergency. Instead, he called for compromise and said, “To those who refuse to compromise in the name of border security, I would ask: imagine if it was your child, your husband, or your wife, whose life was so cruelly shattered and totally broken?”

Schumer and Pelosi's full response to Trump's border address
After President Trump addressed the nation Jan. 8, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) responded. (The Washington Post)

He was, in short, presidential.

Democrats insisted on equal time, which is highly unusual for presidential addresses other than the State of the Union. It was a mistake. In contrast to Trump, Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) came across as small and intransigent.


While Trump spoke calmly and rationally from behind the Resolute Desk, the Democratic leaders accused him of “pounding the table” and having a “temper tantrum.” While Trump told human stories, they complained about process. They accused him of arguing that the women and children at the border were “a security threat” when he had just explained to the American people that they were victims, too. They charged him with using the “backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration.” They were partisan and petty, while Trump came across as reasonable and even compassionate.

To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.

And, most important, Pelosi and Schumer failed to use the one word that millions of Americans were longing to hear — compromise. But Trump did. That is why the president won the night. Schumer and Pelosi appealed to their base, while Trump made an effective appeal to persuadable Americans.

Until now, Trump has owned the 18-day government shutdown that prompted this address, because he’s the one who started it. But if Democrats continue to attack him, and won’t entertain any compromise, soon the shutdown will be all theirs — because they’re the ones who have refused to end it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.276d76b5ec14
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5B is nothing, yes. So the GOP should easily be able to give up 5B to the Dems too.
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I don't get it. In the big picture of the annual spending in this country $5B is almost nothing. Just ****ing give it to him and move on. Not like that $5B is going to break us.

In other words, they should all get off the pot and do their jobs! And once this is done the House should do something that hasn't been done in a while and actually give us a budget to work from so we don't have these damned shut downs every few months. DO YOUR JOB!!!
No? It's a stupid way to spend money. But I agree he should let go of his pet project and re-open the government. Then actually cut a deal if it's important to him.
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Nothing. Declare a national emergency and build it.
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Nancy said she would not give him the wall even if he opened the govt back up. He offered she said no. Ball in her court. Trump should give zero.
This is a great way to end up with no wall
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This is a great way to end up with no wall
And 1/4 no government either I guess.
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As a Dem, I would let tRump build his stupid wall (all $25-75B), but in exchange, I would want DACA, immigration reform, single payer healthcare, a real middle class tax cut, 73+% top marginal tax rate, a GreenNewDeal, free college, increased infrastructure spending.
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That's fine, assuming the dimmocraps can live with it.
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